Originally posted by mikhael
Nope. But all things being equal, if the sources are of essentially the same quality (and lets face it, they are, if taken objectively), quantity will win out.
All things are not equal - the sources are
not of the same quality - your sources are of dubious standing at best
Originally posted by mikhael
I don't think it is right. I also don't think its wrong. It comes down to aesthetics.
it does not come down to aesthetics - aesthetics are a culturally conditioned idea.
IT comes down to an issue of everyone has the basic human right to unmodified genitalia
Originally posted by mikhael
No. The problem does exist. Its just not a serious enough problem to care about. If it were, we'd have stopped circumcising babies by now.
You're contradicting yourself - because the problem with the immune system being weakened is much more likely to manifest than ALL OF THE PROBLEMS COMBINED that circumcision "prevents" (there are no studies that show causation, only poorly controlled correlation studies - they are completely invalid because if you cross reference between identical correlation studies of that kind between countries you find out that the problems are actually connected to factors like health care and _not_ circumcision)
Originally posted by mikhael
Actually, no. You should be outraged. You shouldn't turn into a fanatic. There's a healthy middle ground. As for submission: to whom? Whom would you submit to? Its not submission, its an acceptance of reality. That's not submisson, its realism. You're cut, you can't reverse it (you can only sorta kinda repair it) and that's just the way it is. Don't do it to anyone else.
it is often easier to accuse another person of fanaticism when you don't understand them. I stand upon that "healthy middle ground" I demand people be given their rights, I DEMAND people be given their basic human rights. I will not stand silent simply because mine have already been violated and I cannot fix it for myself - I can prevent it from happening to other people though.
The biggest crime is when good people do nothing.
To do nothing is not an acceptance of reality - it is submission - you're submitting to the culture of mutilation by letting it be perpetuated - by perpetuating it yourself by doing nothing
Originally posted by mikhael
There you go with the indoctrination thing again. Sure, their parents were sold a bill of goods and that bill of goods was passed down to these men, verbatim. That's not indoctrination, that second-hand ignorance. All you can do is teach them.
Indoctrination into an idea - indoctrination into ignorance. They are indoctrinated into the cultural of ignorance and mutilation. Why is indoctrination an appropriate word you may ask? People accept the misinformation without question. That is indoctrination in it's purest form.
Originally posted by mikhael
Kazan, you're saying this thing is all black and assuming anyone who disagrees with you is declaring it all white. The thing is, there's a hell of a lot of gray in the middle. Perhaps you should try wandering somewhere in there.
There is no middle ground, no grey area, when it comes to basic human rights - You are either given your basic human rights or they are stolen from you. There is no "they violated his human rights just a little".
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Perhaps you should try not to make assumptions of people - ESPECIALLY OF ME - if you ever assume that I haven't looked at all sides of the argument then you're DEAD WRONG. I am the last person to take a side of an arguement without thoroughly inspecting both sides. If you don't know this then you don't know me.
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Grey Wolf 2009 your pros/cons are wrong
your single pro has been disproven -- it is not easier to clean, there is actually a higher rate of hygiene problems among circumcised individuals than uncircumcised
cons
not _may_ but _DOES_ - you cannot attribute the term "may" in relation to sensory expirience being reduced when the destruction of the nerves is not conditional - if the nerves are destroyed than the sensation is reduced - this is unequivically true
a large number of infantile circumcisions have no anaesthetic administered
so when it's done by a doctor it's really
mythical hygiene vs
real hygiene, full sensory expirience, full mechanical functionality, full protective functionalityit's
human arrogance vs
biological normalcy
