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Offline Odyssey

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[color=cc9900]I don't have the time to take it apart right now as I need sleep, so yeah, I'm just leaving it to dry. I don't think the acid is too much of a problem, I seriously doubt there is any actual fruit in the stuff anyway :p[/color]

 

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Regarding the eternal battle of Open Source vs. Microsoft: I believe the correct term is 'Holy Wars'.

I've used all Microsoft's operating systems from MS-DOS 6.22 up to Windows XP Pro.  I also write code for them, so I've got a good idea of how they're structured.  I know how the Windows Memory Manager works (because I've written a similar one, but only as an exercise, not a full-fledged program).
I've been using Linux for about five weeks, ie. since I found the Linux computer room at University.  Linux is more stable than Windows (that is a FACT), but it does have a slightly steeper learning curve.  It puts me in mind of DOS, but done correctly.
I've also used OS/2 Warp.  In fact, for several weeks it was the only operating system on our Pentium 60, because the hard drive got wiped and the 'backup' my Dad had done turned out to be the output of the OS/2 install disk factory, which didn't include DOS and Win3.11.  I hated OS/2.  It took a week for us to figure out how to make it install correctly. It never did what I wanted it to (even if I used the command line).  It didn't seem to have a standard method for installing device drivers: some were done with install programs, some had to be done directly by the OS, some required the driver to be installed before the hardware, and some were bizarre combinations of the three.  OK, so neither does Windows, but at least when I tell it to install a certain driver IT ACTUALLY DOES IT!  As for OS/2 being stable... it sure as hell wasn't on a Pentium 60.  Maybe I was just unlucky, but it was a great relief when we bought MS-DOS 6.22.

I now have Windows XP Home and it has never crashed on this computer.  Programs running under it have, but the OS has never gone down.  Even when I wrote a program specifically to make it crash, it notified me and then quietly terminated the offending process.  I dislike the 'angry fruit salad' default interface, and it's now set to Windows Classic which works fine.  I turned off shadows and menu fade effects, and generally set the interface to resemble Win98SE, and the OS runs quite smoothly.  But it is bulky, and it is bloatware, and the only reason I haven't switched over to Linux is because all my games are made for Windows or DOS.
As soon as my new hard drive arrives, I'm creating a Linux partition for running applications, because LaTeX and Open Office beat the crap out of Microsoft Office.  Linux is smaller, faster, and more powerful if you can handle the terminal.  But it doesn't run any of my 60+ games.

Both Windows and Linux have their advantages and disadvantages.  Windows is now the accepted standard around the world, so it'll be a long time before I can do without it.  And although the Windows API is clumsy and requires an Encyclopaedia Britannica-sized reference manual, I've come to like it.

I've been programming variously in BASIC, C, C++, Assembler, and 80x86 machine code for 11 years.  I DO understand how Windows and Linux work.  And yes, Windows is far bigger and slower than it needs to be.  I expect Linux has some redundant code in it too, although probably not much since the people working on Linux have the time to find out exactly what a function does, instead of working to a stringent time limit and just ignoring code they don't understand.

So please stop saying that one OS is better than the other.  From the point of view of the average computer user, Windows is better.  It's probably what they use at school or work. It's familiar.  And Microsoft have dominated the market to the point where many people believe that Windows is the ONLY operating system.  Yes, they need to be shown the light, but if they're forced to use Linux before they're ready they'll cling to Windows all the stronger.

And I have to say that I really do like the DirectX 9 API.  Which is why yet another games programmer is developing games for Windows instead of Linux.

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Offline Odyssey

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[color=cc9900]I just propped it on its side overnight on my desk. Works like a charm now, rugged little bastard that it is ^_^[/color]

 

Offline Grey Wolf

Things I've discovered not to do with XP: Never, ever, uninstall your motherboard drivers before overwriting them. In one swift move, I managed to invalidate my activation, corrupt my audio drivers, and screw up my winmodem install.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I managed to invalidate my activation


There has never been a more eloquent argument against installing WindowsXP.
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Offline Grey Wolf

Yeah. And their stupid automated tech support didn't work right, either.

Well, next comp I get (~1.5 years), I'm thinking W2k/Linux dual boot....
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Offline Admiral LSD

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If you install XP correctly (;)) then you don't get the activation BS at all ;)
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Offline Odyssey

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If you install XP correctly (;)) then you don't get the activation BS at all ;)

[color=cc9900]Shh you :p[/color]

 

Offline mikhael

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If you install XP correctly (;)) then you don't get the activation BS at all ;)


The only 'correct' way to install XP is to install Win2k. ;)

Don't even get me started on the correct way to install Linux. :D
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The correct way to install XP is to use Pro edition.  No activation required.  And if, like me, you already have Win98SE, using the XP Pro Upgrade CD is viable.  And cheaper than forking out several hundred quid for the non-upgrade CD.
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Offline Admiral LSD

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Actually, a store-bought version of XP Pro still has the activation, it's the corporate edition (which is designed for huge roll-outs in which licences are bought in bulk and installations are made from only a handful of CDs) of XP Pro (all MS'll sell to this market now) that lacks the activation.

And 2000 sucks **** through a straw, getting rid of it was the best thing I ever did to my PC. You couldn't even pay me to put that POS back on now. Until the FreeBSD guys port forcedeth that'll suck **** through a straw as well ;)
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Offline Odyssey

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[color=cc9900]I remember one Windows, I think it was 95, where you just bought the upgrade CD for around half the price of the full, then when it asked for evidence of previous Windows installations, you pointed it to the CD drive, hence itself. And it worked.
Those were the days...[/color]

 

Offline Grey Wolf

You know, I had a sudden revelation today: Potentially, although it seems to make sense, ditching 3.1's status as solely a shell was potentially one of the stupidest moves ever made by MS.  Picture how much easier it would be to ditch MS' products if DOS was still the true OS. You could use one of the alternate DOSes and have an open-source written shell. Or have I gone off the deep end?
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Offline mikhael

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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
You know, I had a sudden revelation today: Potentially, although it seems to make sense, ditching 3.1's status as solely a shell was potentially one of the stupidest moves ever made by MS.  Picture how much easier it would be to ditch MS' products if DOS was still the true OS. You could use one of the alternate DOSes and have an open-source written shell. Or have I gone off the deep end?


That's exactly why it was a GOOD IDEA for Microsoft. Good idea for Microsoft is not the same thing as a good idea for the user.


Admiral LSD: I use Win2k for my game machines and used to do IIS webhosting on it as a day to day job. I find, in generall, it to be far more stable and capable than NT4 (which I found to be very stable and capable) or Win9x, and for more stable and less bloated than WinXP.

And back of FreeBSD. What is it you want ported again?
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Offline karajorma

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Ummm. Why would MS want to make it easier to ditch their products? :D
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Offline Grey Wolf

I'm saying from our point of view, not theirs :p

EDIT: I forgot to put in the "from the user's point of view" at the end.

Actually, I wonder why non of the open source groups are going back to that old style of development, using a DOS-like setup for the OS and a shell for the GUI....
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Offline Admiral LSD

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And back of FreeBSD. What is it you want ported again?


This.
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