[Woomeister]

Currently working through the 187 pof files and decided to see after R1 what ships you liked, and which ships you don't like. List your favourites for each species in here (as many as you can) you can include ships not used in R1, and ships that I've shown off recently but haven't released yet.

[Galemp]

HOT:
GTB Phoebus (Whoa)
SB Kahlan (Groovy)
GTC Glaucus (Awesome)
GVC Selket (Sleek)
GTSD Odin (Incredible)
EAD Lindos (New, original, functional, impressive)
SCa Shiamak (despite the armament )
GVA Setekh Mk. IV (Creative)

NOT:
GVF Acacia (bland)
SF Scorpion (WTF?)
SB Shaitan (See above)
GVC Sai (Has potential)
SC Abel (way too simplistic)
GVCv Mandes (ugh)
VCI Bastet (eurgh)
GVSD Het-Ka (An ancient, hideous mod that should be tossed)
ACa Akrotiri (awful mapping)
GTI Arcas (blocky with over-tiled textures)

[Blaise Russel]

Hi.

Um.

Some of the models looked like they were kinda kibbled together from the sweepings down at the shipyard.

"Hey boss, what should I do with these left over bits from all them ships we made today?"
"Just throw them in the tra- wait, I got an idea! Let's stick 'em all together and sell them at a low, low price! Waste not, want not!"

No, really. I keep getting the feeling some safety inspector's going to come around and start throwing around the words 'cut'n'shunt job' and 'unfit for human use' and 'look, you can see the weld going right across the middle here'.

Guilty ships:

GTF Menelaos (not too bad though)
SF Gorgon
SF Serpent
SF Hydra
GTB Sabus (NO. BAD. EVIL. Looks like what you get when Boanerges inbreed)
GTB Jotun (Ditto for Ursas... is it something about being a heavy bomber?)
SB Durja

I see these and I go D:

I don't know... it looks like you took the bits that join important bits in previous fighter and bomber craft and mashed them all together until you got a vaguely recognisable shape. Maybe it's just me.

Also, the general disparity in Terran textures, which doesn't really make it look much like a unifed force at all - I mean, exceptions to the rule of fleet colouring, yes, they are nice and interesting and everything, but when you have too many exceptions, there isn't a rule anymore. Compare and contrast with the EA fleet, which is all grey save for the Peregrine, the Stentor and the Gagana, which are exceptions that are interesting and different to the rest of the fleet.

Now, this wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for how all the other fleets have unified colour schemes - Shivan red and black, Ancient blue, purple, grey, Vasudan brown, tan, yellow, EA grey, grey and grey, with extra grey on top... the Terrans just really jar. It's like the Forgotten Regiment of a child's play set - you've got enough soldiers for four regiments, but you need a fifth one and Mummy won't buy you any more toys, so you improvise with what else you've got; and that's how Ruffles the Huggly Puppy becomes Commander-in-Chief of Black Regiment, the top-secret battalion made up of the results of secret government experiments gone horribly, horribly wrong, such as Cabbage Patch Doll: Secret Assassin and the Jurassic Park Dinosaur Suicide Squadron.

Before I ramble onto capital-ship territory, one last thing: whoever designed the firing patterns for the Peregrine and the Claymore Mk.2 NEEDS TO DIE. I suppose, in a way, it's kind of comical how you're in this massive ship with eight firing points and armed to the bloody teeth, and you cannot hit a ship 300 metres away from you. It comes to something when you have to aim a couple of metres away from your target, to the right and down a little, so that you can hit them with your upper left cannon before they hit burners and you spend more of your precious time trying to line it up just right so that you can actually fire in its direction. The Peregrine is better, and is almost understandable, but if it's supposed to be able to fulfil a fighter/bomber role then it needs to be able to actually fight, and that involves its cannons not firing merrily right past the target, wasting almost half your firepower on that nefarious patch of space right next to them.

Capital ships. Now, even though some of the fighters remind one of those stories about scientists growing ears on the backs of mice, at least one is tempted to invoke that old homosexual stereotype and mutter something about their colour coordination being so good, they got to be gay... On the other hand, some of the capital ships appear to have gotten dressed purely by accident. Typhon and Hatepshut textures do NOT go together. Meanwhile, the Icelus and the Boreas look like they've been the victims of falling asleep in the sun and getting a partial sunburn patterned in a humourous fashion. Some of the freighters are guilty of this too. It's the Terrans and Vasudans who are guilty of this; the Shivans, Ancients and EA seem to be able to dress themselves well enough, if not superbly.

Now, not including those mutant fighter ships, the shape of the ships is generally very good. You've got a nice scale going on, with supra-boxy EA, kinda boxy Terrans, kinda curvy Vasudans and supra-curvy Ancients, with the Shivans off in a corner somewhere being ultra spiky and pointy. Some stand out as particularly good; Odin, Lindos, the usual suspects. Others aren't quite as interesting or secksay.

I've been bashing (and writing) a lot, but there is one thing you must not forget - EA, Ancient, Shivan fleets = A1-SUPAR. They are, aside from a few fighters and a couple of ships, brilliant. Beautiful, unique, all round good... it's the Terrans, damnit. Damn screwy Terrans, messing it up for everyone...



Well, well, well. I'm not normally this longwinded in real life. Ho hum.

[phreak]

Alves = numbaaa 1

[Taristin]

Originally posted by PhReAk
Alves = numbaaa 1

Yep. Before I knoew you guys had it, I made the model from the dump into a pof, with shine and glow maps. I loved it. With it's shiny orange cocpit.

[DeepSpace9er]

A few favorites

HOT:

GTD Boreas
GTD Oberon
SOF Banshee
SOF Chaos
SOD Segomo
EAF Claymore
EAF Stentor
EASD Nemesis
EAB Gagana (Fav Bomber Ever)
SD Kismat (Fav Shivan Destroyer Ever)


NOT:

SOD Olemus
GTF Vesuvius (odd)
GTF Cyone (useless Primaries)
No offence but pretty much all vasudan ships as i hate vasudan styles.

[Ypoknons]

Really Good stuff:
GTF Cyone (I used to hate it, but the second time through I loved it)
GTF Vesuvius (loved it since the first day aldo posted it)
GVC Selket (looks businesslike)
SOSB Olemus (like wedge-shaped ships)
GTD Boreas (has charatcter)

Aiyah Bad stuff:
GTF Keres
GTF Chaos
GTF Menelaos/Archon (think they need more polies)
GVB Imset (textures need a bit of work - some dust, for example)

That's really all I have to say - a much shorter list than I expected, actually. I like most of the other stuff, although I think there's a bit too much of it - I suppose R&D gets a lot of funding in INF .

And oh, the Clarius crashes HT&L builds.

[Bludlust]

I found most ships to be qutie good, except for a few things.

Individual ships weren't really the problem, it was the themes of each species.

Most Terran ships were fine, except for the Vesuvius which doesn't look practicle, which is the very core of what all Terran ships should be: Practicle.

The Vasudan ships however, jump all over the place. Vasduans looked to haev moved forward in Freespace 2, dumping the old Typhon textures and using the Hatshepsut ones. But you guys seem to mix and match at will, and this doesn't really look good. The Sai looks like some sort of wierd monster, almost like a Shivan ship, and as much as I like the Asarte, it's texture is old. Vasudans are meant to look organic, as if their ships are like living creatures, smooth, rounded edges and reptile looking textures.

The Shivans on the other hand, while still looking organic, should look more spiderlike, and less reptilian. The Durja looks like a Terran bomber with a reskin, and half of the cap-ships, like the Raguel and Iblis, look like giant floating blobs, not spindly, scary things, like the Vinaashak (fav ship).

The good thing is that the Ancients, which you guys created, have no previous examples to follow. You guys have done a great job on them, making them a mix of Shivan and Vasudan. You could say that this was because they came from a planet near the Vasudans, and learned from the Shivans.

Or they could just be Shivans in disguise.

[Galemp]

Originally posted by Blaise Russel
Um.

Some of the models looked like they were kinda kibbled together from the sweepings down at the shipyard.

"Hey boss, what should I do with these left over bits from all them ships we made today?"
"Just throw them in the tra- wait, I got an idea! Let's stick 'em all together and sell them at a low, low price! Waste not, want not!"

No, really. I keep getting the feeling some safety inspector's going to come around and start throwing around the words 'cut'n'shunt job' and 'unfit for human use' and 'look, you can see the weld going right across the middle here'.

Guilty ships:

GTF Menelaos (not too bad though)
SF Gorgon
SF Serpent
SF Hydra
GTB Sabus (NO. BAD. EVIL. Looks like what you get when Boanerges inbreed)
GTB Jotun (Ditto for Ursas... is it something about being a heavy bomber?)
SB Durja

I see these and I go D:

I don't know... it looks like you took the bits that join important bits in previous fighter and bomber craft and mashed them all together until you got a vaguely recognisable shape. Maybe it's just me.

Most, if not all, of the ships you've named are actually extrapolated from Volition concept art. Here's the link.

http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/index.html

Personally, I like the family resemlance; but it does look horribly out of place amongst all the Terran designs. I think the problem is that everyone KNOWS what Terran design is, and it's extremely diverse, because each of us has our own ideas of what a starship should look like.
Vasudan design is probably just as diverse, but since we don't churn out Vasudans by the dozens like we do with the Terrans, and we don't have as much to go on, things tend to look more uniform. Venom did a superb job on his Vasudan variants for OTT (despite the nausea-inducing textures) in demonstrating the amount of diversity avaliable in a species.

[Culando]

Notably Good:
GTF Alves ( X] Make a figher fleet based around this guy and I'll be a happy bat)
All of the SOC Fighters (I just love these things)
GTB Pheobus (Just cool looking)
GTD Boreus (I don't know why, but I really like this ship)


Bad and Ugly:
GTF Vesuvius (just...no. They don't look standard issue)
GTF Cyone (same as Ves)
GTF Meneleos (maybe if more work was done on the model)
EAF Claymore MK II (tweak the gunpoints and you'll make me happy)
GVB Ismet (nonononoNO. It looks like a skeleton ship XP)
SC Abel (I'm sorry but I hate this thing)
GVCv Mandes (ewewewEW I hate this one most all)
SD Iblis (doesn't look shivan enough. they wouldn't design something that blocky)

edit: Oops, hit the post button early. I've got more. >> One moment.

edit2: Ok, I think that's everything.

[Setekh]

Alves, baby.

[Woomeister]

GTF Vesuvius: Quite old and not interesting, was removed by popular demand, replaced by the Mihos.

GTF Cyone: Very few liked it due to its firing points and maps, replaced by the Herc 3.

GTF Alves: Haven't seen many people who dislike it, will appear earlier in the new campaign.

GTF Menelaos: Will consider this ones future

GTF Keres: Will remain unchanged

GTB Phoebus: Will remain the same

GTB Sabus: Removed for the Ursa 2 as I didn't like the mapping on it.

GTB Jotun: Looks great not changing either version

GTC Glaucus: I prefer the Bellerophon but both won't be removed

GTD Oberon: Not sure on this one

GTD Boreas: Unchanged

GTSD Odin: To cool to change

GTI Arcas: Unchanged

SOF Banshee: Unchanged

SOF Chaos: Unchanged

SOD Segomo: Unchanged

SOD Olemus: Unchanged

EAF Claymore: Unchanged

EAF Claymore MK II: Unchanged

EAF Stentor: Unchanged

EAB Gagana: Unchanged

EAD Lindos: Unchanged, usually mixed opinions on this one

EASD Nemesis: Unchanged

GVF Acacia : Unchanged

GVB Imset: My first and last attempt to actually draw my own map parts, unchanged.

GVC Sai: Unchanged

GVC Selket: My best Vasudan model ever

GVCv Mandes: Personally don't like it either, however don't have a replacement.

VCI Bastet: Removed

GVSD Het-Ka: Removed a week or so ago

GVA Setekh Mk. IV: Unchanged

SF Scorpion: Unchanged

SF Gorgon: One of my favs

SF Serpent: Unchanged

SF Hydra: Could use a remap

SB Shaitan: Unchanged

SB Durja: Unchanged

SC Abel: Removed for my edited Lilith

SD Kismat: Unchanged

SD Iblis: Removed for the Yama, but means we have only the Ravana with a fighterbay...

SCa Shiamak: Unchanged

SPD Vinaashak: Unchanged

ACa Akrotiri: Unchanged



As for HT&L, we have 5 models that crash it and 2 that don't show up, so HT&L was removed from the latest INF build

[DeepSpace9er]

excellent decisions... i would have quit this community if you removed the Kismat or the Segomo.

[Taristin]

That's what I'm talking about! More like this!

Edit: sorry bout' that. Forgot it was in an internal...

[Woomeister]

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[Taristin]

Originally posted by Woomeister
GVCv Mandes: Personally don't like it either, however don't have a replacement.

Would it help if this was re-textured?  I'd like to see someone use something I made someday...

[mr.WHO]

GTF Vesuvius 6/10 I don't like it
GTF Cyone  8/10  good but have a bad primary weapons config.
GTF perseus Adv  9/10  very good
GTF menelaos and GTF archon don't see it in action   model  8/10
GTF alves 10/10 my favorite
GTF daedalus 8/10
GTF Keres 8/10
GTF enceladus 5/10 more uglly than vesuvius

SOF Orpheus 9/10 beautiful
SOF Banshee 10/10 my favorite
SOF ophion 7/10 strange
SOF Horae 8/10 interesting
SOF Chaos 8,5/10

EAF claymore 8/10
EAF Claymore mk.2 8,5/10 strange prim. weapon config
EAF Stentor 10/10 my favorite
EAF Aurora 9.5/10 very very good

GVF Apis 8/10 strange
GVF acacia 6/10 very very strange
GVF Ennead 7/10 strange
VIF reshef 9/10 only one good vasudan model and you scrap it
GTF Mihos 8/10 it's better than vesuvius

SF Scorpion 7/10 this shoud be scrap
SF Gorgon 9/10 I like it
SF Chimera 8/10 strange but I like it
SF Serpent 8/10
SF Hydra 8.5/10
AF Kato 8/10  more ancient figthers please

GTB Danaus 8.5/10 I like it
GTB Phoebus 9/10 interesting
GTB Sabus 6.5/10
GTB Jotun 9/10
GTB Notus 9/10 what a monster
SOB Lyre 8/10 better than artemis
SOB Jotun adv 9.5/10
SOB Wraith 9/10
GVB Petbe 7/10 weak sec. weapons
GVB packhet 7.5/10 strange
GVB Imset 8/10 I like it

EAB peregrine 9/10 very good
EAB Gagana 9/10 very very
SB shaitan 6/10 scrap it
SB Durja 8/10 strange but i like it
SB Kahlan 7/10 strange and i don't like it
SB vindhyachal 9/10 good good good
AB Satyr 10/10 best
AB Attis 8/10
AB Zakros 8.5/10

GTC Alcyone 8/10
GTC Glaucus and Bellerophon 10/10 best
SOC Phenia and Orc 7.5/10 too dark
EAC Eclipse 10/10
EAC Aesacus 9/10
GVC Sai 9/10
GVC Selket 8/10
SC Raguel 9/10
SC Abel 6/10 very weak model
AC Heraklion 9/10
AC Gordia 7.5/10

Cv Phobos 10/10
Cv Alexandria 7.5/10 I don't like it
Cv Ehreos 8/10 good
Cv phobos adv 9/10 whyyy... you scrap it?
Cv Neptune 9/10  
Cv Darknnes 8.5/10
Cv Mandes 6.5/10  it's look like a worm can be replace by Pachet
Cv Pachet 8/10
Cv Bryn 8/10 hmm too powerfull ??
Cv scylla 9/10
Fg Damini 7/10 strange but it can be
Ancients corvettes  9/10

D icelus 9/10 good
boreas 8.5/10
Oberon hmm 8/10 ??
Odin 9.5/10
Segomo 10/10
Neaera 9.5/10
olemus 10/10
solaris 8/10
Lindos 10/10
Tereus 9.5/10  weak AA weapons
Nemesis  1000000000000000000000000/10  my favorite ship
Apothess 9/10
asarte  9.5/10
Hedetet 10/10
Bastet 5/10
Tempeth 8.5/10
Het-ka 9/10   it will be replace by what??
Ibis 9.5/10 whyyy you scrap it , now shivans have only ravana
Kismat 8.5/10
Diablo 8/10
Pylos 9/10   bad beam config. on hull

Lenaeus 9.5/10
Warlock 9.5/10
Aristaeus 9/10
Telemus 10/10
Tanen 9/10
Hesat 8.5/10
Shiamak 8.5/10
Akrotiri 8.5/10

vinaashak 9.5/10
Amritaya 10/10
Gigas 9.5/10
Gargant 11/10
Androgeos 10/10
Icanus 9.5/10

[aldo_14]

Does that mean I'm the only person who doesn;t really like the Alves?

[StratComm]

I am of the opinion that the Alves is far too small to be as powerful as it is supposed to be.  It looks like an extrapolated Ares with a new paint job, more fiddly bits, and less room for missile storage/reactors/engines.  But it's still a cool model.

[aldo_14]

It's a blatant copy of the Erinyes, with 2 wings.