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Should people be allowed to select the sex of their child?

Yes
12 (26.7%)
No - never atall
11 (24.4%)
No - except for exceptional medical reasons
22 (48.9%)

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Voting closed: November 12, 2003, 04:33:29 pm

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Offline an0n

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Should sex selection be legal?
Oh, don't even get me started on the "We lost out little baby girl" people.

That couple who wanted to clone their dead kid should be taken out back and ****ing shot.
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Should sex selection be legal?
Yeah, that 'selection' bit kinda gets lost when you read it too quick.

I read about half the thread before I realised.

Oddly enough, your reply still makes sense.
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I think only for medical purposes makes sense.  If/when you have children you get what you get.  There isn't a disadvantage to one or the other and we shouldn't seek out a system where that notion may be promoted.

There may come a time however when this technique may be needed to redress gender balance.  I've things stating that for the first time in history, there are more females than males.  If this ever became a serious problem (currently its probably less than a percentage point - its still interesting) then obviously the technology to redress that balance is available.  Pretty sure it had to do with all the hormones in our food - also why we keep getting taller.
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Pfff. Barring a cataclysmic even which targets only one gender, there will never be a serious gender imbalance. If there are more women, then men just screw more and the laws of probability take effect to rebalance numbers, and if there are more men then as a consequence there will be more wars (and/or women will be encouraged to have more kids by way of propoganda) and again, the laws of probability sort things out.
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The curent gender imbalance only exists due to the fact that women live longer. AFAIK there is no imbalance amongst people of reproductive age (and even if there was would anyone here complain if there were two women for every guy?)
 As I said above any gender imbalance would create a very strong selection pressure for the other sex anyway so it would all resolve itself.

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And in most (if not all cases) the people I've seen who want to select their childs' sex are doing so to fill some sort of percieved 'gap' in their life - for example, the loss of a child, or several same sex children (i.e. a large family of boys).  In many cases, I reckon that these people believe this is a sort of 'quick fix', and that they will become resentful if the child doesn't fill this perceived hole in their life.


Good point. What do you do if you sex select for a girl and she turns out to be a bit of tomboy instead of the living barbie doll you were after? It's pretty likely anyway since by the time you select for a girl you've probably already got 3 or 4 boys anyway.
 Medical reasons are pretty much the only reason for sex selection and even that should only be a stop gap while we do research to find a way to dead end the genes for these horrible diseases by only implanting children who won't carry them.
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I've got a way to stop hereditary diseases.

It involves 500,000 shotguns, 500,000 troops, 50 tanks, a really long list of names and a hippo.
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...and a hippo.

We've got one of those here on the board IIRC... :p
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You know Kam's sensetive about his weight.

*runs*
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People can do whatever they want to themselves and their kids, just as long as they don't start imposing it on other people.
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An army of savage, sex crazed girls. ;7


Well if they are hot that would be great. ;7 :D

 

Offline diamondgeezer

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People can do whatever they want to themselves and their kids, just as long as they don't start imposing it on other people.

:wtf: You mean people are free to monkey about with their unborn kids but not other people? At least other people get a say.

 

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An army of savage, sex crazed girls. ;7

Already done. Have you been to any US high school? :D
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Should sex selection be legal?
well, IIRC this whole procedure was done by selecting sperm cells by mass or something, so human rights organisations would have to get an egg for every sperm cell if they wanted to say this was murder or something.
and i feel fine about this, really, where is the problem? to much guy's, some will stay bachelor. to much girls, where's the problem?
since there is no risk of death, disease, mutulation, mutation, or **** like that, i am fine with this. slecting the gender isn't anywhere near changing select property's. to change eyecolor, you'd have to edit the DNA. to change gender, you need another sperm cell with XY instead of XX chromosoms.

edit: err, X instead of Y, a sperm cell has only one chromosome.
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
...why do we want to **** with nature? People confuze me.


Cancer Therapy == ****ing with nature
Flight == ****ing with nature
Space exploration == ****ing with nature
Removal of Congenital defects == ****ing with nature
braces == ****ing with nature
hair dye == ****ing with nature
plastic surgery == ****ing with nature
circumcision == ****ing with nature
clothing == ****ing with nature
computer == ****ing with nature
cars == ****ing with nature
mining == ****ing with nature
boats == ****ing with nature
drugs == ****ing with nature
cities == ****ing with nature
roads == ****ing with nature
fences == ****ing with nature
houses == ****ing with nature

What in the world ISN'T ****ing with nature? If a natural creature can do it (man is a natural creature) its not ****ing with nature. Its the natural result of nature.
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I don't really like this idea. Of course, I don't like many ideas people have. Too much room for abuse. And Drew? I sincerely doubt we'll ever reach the extremes found in that book.
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This is OT but oh well... if youv ever read Orwells 1984; Communism would kill to be able to control birth and the creation of human beings.  Communism strips away intividuality and forces unity of a group by law. If a person was "grown" instead of born, he would have almost no identity for himself, ex. no family history. He would only be another person serving Government... its a scary thought....

BTW, if youv never read 1984, you should. ;)


Point of fact: 1984 was not about Communism. It was about rampant Socialism. You need to read more about Orwell.

I think you should also read Brave New World. It is a better fit with the 'grown vs born' concept. Of course, BNW and 1984 should be read back to back anyway, to get the full, hot flush of raw horror.
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Point of fact: 1984 was not about Communism. It was about rampant Socialism. You need to read more about Orwell.

dude, "negative utopia" is Communism. Thats the exact term Orwell used to define the state of government in 1984.
Anyway mik, the socialism in 1984 is much more akin to Communism, wouldnt you agree?
and no kidding with the "horror"......
btw i have read animal farm as well mik...
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I this tweaking really necessary?
At this time I find it's just another opportunity to make a hell of a mess without much to gain.

:no: (unless its by doctors orders)

 

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What makes y'all think parents need to genemod their kids in order to treat them in a ****ed-up fashion? Every single example that yo listed, every one, can be seen day-to-day right here and now. I'd say a large majority of parents put their children up to unrealistic ideals, or ones that have nothing to do with the child's wants and needs. A fair-sized minority do this badly enough to give their children neuroses that manifest later in life- look at all the soccer moms, the kids dragged through the whole acting bit until they're ****ing insane, the little boys dragged off to get their spines telescoped by larger, foul-tempered children because their dad wants them to be football players. What, exactly, would change here? The ****ed-up people will remain ****ed-up, no matter what, and they'll manage to act in a ****ed-up fashion whether you give them the ability to act on one manifestation of that or not. Ban something because the ****ed-up people might abuse it, you're just depriving everyone else of a useful item or technology. It's misguided at best, actively the most harmful thing modern industrialized governments do to their people at worst. And it's terribly patronizing, too- not all of us are that ****ed-up, not even a notable minority are that bad- it'll be, once again, those nutty upper-middle-class housewives and such who want to live vicariously through their children, and ruin their lives in the process. And, once again, they don't need some fancy technology to do that, they get along fine.

And what is this **** about it being done "against their will"? A fetus doesn't have a will, not one that's of any concern to anyone else, anyway. Were we to let babies have their way, they'd all chew on ****ing electrical cords and die. After ****ting all over the house and wrecking stuff to the point where they wouldn't be missed. A baby is an undeveloped mind- they do not have reasoning capability, they do not have a distinct personality, they have not developed into an intelligent organism whose concerns in these matters is of any importance. Well, okay, some importance when whatever the action is doesn't have a direct positive bearing on the child's health, but what are you gonna do? Poll the fetuses?

It's not like they'd have an opinion, anyway. Sexual identity starts developing well after birth- it's all quite the same to an unborn child, in fact later in life they'd have no conception of what life'd be like the other way. You wouldn't get, say, any more transsexuals or other people with gender identity problems in a gene-modified population than you would in the regular one as a whole. They'd be normal men and women like you and I- provided the surgery was successful and didn't have any wierd side effects, which is a whole other story altogether. Basically, you're projecting your personal reactions to such a thing onto an entity that would not share them in the slightest.

Moral qualifiers ("it's unnatural" is basically the more PC evolution of "it's against God's plan", which is a bull****-laden way of saying "I don't like it and can't be bothered to find a real reason why) don't factor in here- if you think something should be banned for all people just because you personally find it wrong, end of story, please, I beg of you- never, ever vote. Or participate in politics in any fashion, ever again. You people are what comprise the everpresent threat of theocratic dictatorship. If there is a reason you find it wrong- fine, find a reason. State it. But if it has anything to do with what some ****ing book says, or your personal unbased gut reactions to something, don't even think about trying to force that on me or anyone I know or I part your hair with a shotgun. And that is my moral code.
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