[Stryke 9]

Yeah, because your models aren't supposed to be functional. Tex maps are nice, but the things on my models can all do what they would do were the machines real.

Gives me a little more freedom in making animations and so on. Plus it's more fun.

[Nico]

My models are supposed to be functional, but my PC is not.

[Stryke 9]

So take a trip to the junkyard and make yourself a better one. Memory is a bit hard to find sometimes, but these days everything's using a P4 and at the rate companies generally dump **** you can have a reasonable box assembled in a matter of days.

[Nico]

I have no money to spend, and the junkyards around are real junkyards, you know, with rust, and rats, and stuff that are actually broken.

Besides, all that is an half assed excuse coz you can't map

[Stryke 9]

You've never even seen a junkyard, have you.


Damn middle-class yuppie-types.

And no **** I can't map very well. That would be because I never really learned to, because I so rarely need to, because that's not the sort of thing I'm doing, and there aren't exactly adequate tutorials or anything for the more advanced stuff I could actually use from time to time on the big ones. I'm sure your talents in skinning a cube are oh so more advanced than mine, but that's largely irrelevant here. You can brag about it when I render one of my cityships or something, which actually are undesirably overdetailed and which I can do nothing about. As it is, I want my hatches to open, my MIRV missiles to split off, my levers to be pullable, and my engines to explode into tiny delicate components satisfyingly. You can't get any of that with mapping, and in this case it'd be an inadequate surrogate for the real deal, reserved for the terminally lazy or incompetent.

'Sides, I don't really see what you all are going on about. 's about 140000 faces in that mesh, including  basically a third of the thing I added after that WIP render, for a movie-grade mesh. Ten times that would be par for the course on basically any decent large model. As it is, that's a pissing figure.

[Nico]

I'm surprised you can get so worked up when I was half joking
Ah well, 140K polys, it's way too much for my computer, and FOR MY PART ( I prefer to be clear, heh ), I don't need the little thinguys modelled, coz the camera won't come close enough to make a difference, and when i blast something to oblivion, all the little thinguys are simulated with random particles. So voila, no need to be pissed.
Oh, and about mapping ( or modelling ), I'll brag the day it brings me money

[Stryke 9]

Worked up? If you mean the "damn yuppie" thing, maybe you shouldn't take everything so seriously just because I don't wanna stick emoticons after every sentence. Annoyed a bit, as it's a claim that's been leveled at me in all seriousness several times before and I'm sick and tired of pointing out the advantages of geometry, but not worked up.

Generally the tipoff is when I start calling people kitten-fisting mother-humping inbred sons of a diseased turd. If there's not something along that line, I'm just not in the mood to stare at a bunch of vapid smiley faces gaping at me from my own posts. Mocking me. And staring with their beady eyes, always staring.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Worked up? If you mean the "damn yuppie" thing, maybe you shouldn't take everything so seriously just because I don't wanna stick emoticons after every sentence. Annoyed a bit, as it's a claim that's been leveled at me in all seriousness several times before and I'm sick and tired of pointing out the advantages of geometry, but not worked up.

Generally the tipoff is when I start calling people kitten-fisting mother-humping inbred sons of a diseased turd. If there's not something along that line, I'm just not in the mood to stare at a bunch of vapid smiley faces gaping at me from my own posts. Mocking me. And staring with their beady eyes, always staring.

Yuppie? No, I don't give a damn about that, us french are very imaginative when it comes to giving names, and I've been called much, much worse
No, I was referring to the tone of the whole post, in general. I'm glad if I was mistaken, then

[Corsair mk. 2]

Hey Stryke... is that a bayonet-type thing on the bottom of the gun? The sharp, metal-looking knife thing?

[Stryke 9]

You'd probably have to be more specific than that.

Um, if you're talking about what I think you are, the answer is "sorta". Eventually, I'll make the thing it's supposed to fit onto as a bayonet. It's kinda too big to be feasible normally speaking, but as it's got a bit of a history (made the real-life version it's modeled after years back and engaged in a reign of terror at the local high school with it, so, uh, sentimental value I guess), I'm keeping it.

[Bobboau]

modeled detail looks beter with textures

[Stryke 9]

Possibly (I'd disagree in many cases), but I'll worry about that once I've, you know, finished the model.

[Corsair mk. 2]

Why are you putting a bayonet on a sniper rifle?

[Stryke 9]

I'm not.

[Corsair mk. 2]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Still adding **** to the sniper-rifle one.

So I asked you if that was a bayonet and you told me be more specific. So I'm just asking WHY you would put a bayonet on that gun if you're calling it a sniper rifle.

[Stryke 9]

1. The closest thing over the "bayonet", the one with the barrel about four times the size of any others, would be sort of an M79 equivalent. Wouldn't be much sniping with a grenade launcher.

2. I guess I wasn't clear enough- by "thing it's supposed to fit onto", I meant I'm eventually going to have to make an entirely new weapon that it can fit onto. A normal gun with it fixed at the end bayonet-style would be about six feet long, and weigh a freakin' ton. New one'll be something like a short stock and then a barrel that runs down the length of the flat side, or something.

If I ever make it. Weapons in general are pretty boring to make (all kinda look the same), unless it's some kinda freaky energy weapon that looks like a jet engine or something, and as I'm not being paid I prefer to do stuff that's interesting.

[Stryke 9]

Normally I wouldn't bump this, but thought I'd illustrate the point I was trying to make about modeling vs. texturing, as the half-finished product really didn't provide a very good example.


Venom: This is what you are doing:



This is what I am doing:




Both have their place. The latter is my thing, and it does accomplish very different things.

'Course, I overdid it on this 'un, with unnecessary detail in angles I wouldn't typically exploit and the working engine pistons and stuff, but seeing as I'm not getting paid I get to have fun. Irrelevant to the upthrust of what I was saying.

[Nico]

You HAD to choose the stupid pic from Krackers, right?

[Stryke 9]

Honest, it was the latest one I found in the thread, albeit not while looking very hard.

Also, it's a decent angle for showing the model itself, while a lot of the others are stylized renders where the model's only part of the thing. But fine, paste up another image here if it'll make you happy. This thread gon' be dead shortly anyways, as I've got server access back and am going to be working on more, ah, complex works shortly (as in anims and ****e)