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Offline ZylonBane

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It was a typo! For crying out loud!
And you made the exact same mistake ten times in a row? :doubt:
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Offline Culando

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Aah, Escaflone, the show that officially got me into anime. It was on Fox for a while, but they dropped it. XP I pursued it onto DVD and spotted other series as well. I love this anime. Good animation, cool mecha, gripping story, psychotic freak (you gotta love Dilandou) and a love story. 9/10

I have yet to see the movie, but I am very interested.
The boy who cried project.

 
Since you're in the mood for titiles,

   Could you give me one "Anime-God"... so the masses can start bowing down tme since I have been watching Go Nagai and Leiji Matsumoto since around 1976 (Earliest I can remember is 6yo)

   Starvengers & StarBlazers were my favorites!!!

   I thought regular cartoons were CRAP!

I have seen one episode of Escaflowne so I can't vote on it yet, but I do mean to have a go witht he whole series eventually.

BTW I am only kidding, but seriously could you make me "Pilot of Getter Robo G"?

Hellsing rocks! Too damn short though!
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Since you're in the mood for titiles,

   Could you give me one "Anime-God"... so the masses can start bowing down tme since I have been watching Go Nagai and Leiji Matsumoto since around 1976 (Earliest I can remember is 6yo)


Titles are given, not requested. You should know that by now. :rolleyes: :p
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Since you're in the mood for titiles,

   Could you give me one "Anime-God"... so the masses can start bowing down tme since I have been watching Go Nagai and Leiji Matsumoto since around 1976 (Earliest I can remember is 6yo)

   Starvengers & StarBlazers were my favorites!!!

   I thought regular cartoons were CRAP!

I have seen one episode of Escaflowne so I can't vote on it yet, but I do mean to have a go witht he whole series eventually.

BTW I am only kidding, but seriously could you make me "Pilot of Getter Robo G"?

Hellsing rocks! Too damn short though!


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Offline TrashMan

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C'mon Sandwich.....gimme my old title back...please!
I'll make you a hero in one of my upcoming stories!

StarDragon & kode: - The Movie sucks compared to the series, belive me.
They tried to squeeze in as much as they could in the movie, and ended up with great animation, but shallow charachters and lots of "?" at the end. Too many charachters making an apperance with no real background, too many unanswerd questions.
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Offline Knight Templar

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Dude.. shut up already. What did you think would happen after spamming the board with anime threads? :blah:
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Offline Levyathan

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Does that mean... :drevil:

 

Offline Flaser

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huh...sine when did KT have no title at all?

Regardless a review that speaks of Evangelion as mild or bad simply hadn't even tried to grasp the serie.

As far as I know of all the titles you listed Eva is no.1 - for it craved to tell something to show you some value other than entertainment. It did achieve some things, but failed miserably with others. The end of...ect. stuff is just that including all the various teological stuff.
The best stuff is from episode 12-24. The last 2 episodes are for those who try to digest the meaning - but it does not sit well with the story.
The problem with the first part of the story is that after Asuka's appearance it became somewhat lightharted and that could have fooled you.
Eva is not about entertainment - it's a long epic of a tragedy ordinary people suffer when they try to play god - and the price their children have to pay.

It's a film from teh '90 so it was typical to mix a lot of stuff. Actually this serie is an ephitome of that trend.

Even with all its shortcoming the serie has earned a strong 9 in my book.
It's not for entertainment of coolness - it's for the attemt to finally tell us something valueable.
It's not for the faint hearted though.

As for the other two titles:

ROLW is just simple entertainment, it's an ADnD story made a film. Good entertainment and a couple of notable characters but nothing beside it - even the little philosophy at the end (Pawns realisation of his blindness concerning good/evil) is just filler and gets little play.
It's entertainment but nothing more. That's all about it.
It get a mediocre 7 from me.

VoE is another title I like.
It has some very good stuff:
Cool battles, and well written characters and a notable disdain of the common good-vs.-evil theme that amercian/western pop-culture tries to enforce as canon.
The best parts of this is when the allies turn on each other.
Hitomi is the best character of the show for we're finally given a heroine who's not a sex-idol or a masculine warrior.
She's a yound woman, with lots of teenager tendancies, and still manages to convey the oracle's struggle with faith.
Van is a minor IMHO, for he lacks the depth Htimo has - he's quite 2 dimensional throughout the show.
Dilandu is the next best character orher than Folken - the well portreyed anathonists dissolve our idea of usual fairytale.

The whol Atlantis stuff is just not strong enough, but the underlying problem of free action against fate provides some good substitute.

Escaflowne is the only thing that can bring life to Fan and in the end it is his struggle to understand his mecha that saves him from being written of as another arche-typic hero of the day.

Alll in all the show has its good moments, but in the end it's still minor entertainment with little underlying message.
Still it has value, story, good characters and drama.
It earned a valuable 8 from me.
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Offline TrashMan

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Good comments Flaser, but as the old saying goes..beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I like Evangelion, but it's just too messed up. As for the "show that tell us something valubale" thing..well you can say that for everything. Every show has something to tell (both Eva and VoE, only VoE doesn't push it in your face).
People can find deep meaning in something that has none (like modern art...JUCK!:ick:) and overlook something good. Things like that happen...life sucks.
And Van is a cool charachter...I see nothing 2D about him...he's being torn apart by varrying emotions and expectations.

And a underlaying message? ..basicly, Don't play God (same as Eva), alltough both shows have some other mesages allso..

What can I say...they are both extreemly memorable (they get stuck in your brain and you can't flush them out anymore! - God, those are the best shows)

But I look at the whole package, and it's there that VoE beats Eva..

EDIT: Ups..double post... didn't notice that..wtf.? Can't delete the post at the top of this page!!! Somethings screwy...A admin better delete it then..

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Offline Nico

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Mmh... altho the main topic of eva isn't that at all. It's about youngs being reclused and mentally unstable, and is a direct critic of the otaku in japan through Shinji. All the angel stuff, the seele stuff, etc, was added for commercial purposes, and in the end Hideaki Anno didn't bother to explan anything about that, focusing entirely on what really interested him: Shinji's psycho.
The movies are a result of that, since most people weren't happy with that end ( Anno even received death letters from otaku that were displeased with his vision of their world and for "wasting" the original plot ). There's about as little message as you can get in the biblical stuff of eva, it's just well documented popular fluff ( at that period, there were many series using biblical stuff in their plot, and eva is not different ).
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Really? Everything was just for show? Even the thing about Shinji and the blue-haired girl (can't remember the name) beeing the messiah? - (God, thoes that part suck!)
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Offline Nico

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That could have been drawn from the movies, but as far as I know, and as far as I've seen, that's completly made up by winded up fans, Rei is most likely an angel ( don't remember much about that, but from what happens in episode 24 of the series and in end of, that's what I gathered ), and shinji is just the dumb guy who caused the loss of humanity, he's not a messiah or anything, people tend to draw weird conclusions from just a piece of chit-chat.
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I don't know why but I kinda liked the "huh what's going on?" feeling while watching NGE and it was "refreshing" and in a sick way touching to see the main characters going down the drain mentally in great psychological drama instead of saving the world yet again. Whereas VoE while still being good entertainment had nothing what made it stand out from the crowd.
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Offline TrashMan

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Urrr...right....

I just tough of somewthing else:
TRIGUN - the show is hilarious! I give it a clean 8/10!

Flaser, I agree with you about the Hitomi charachter 100%!

Anyone watch Dragon Knight?
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Dragon Knight? Saw the first one, I think. that's a bit ecchi ( mild erotism ), isn't it? If not, well, it's not what I think, probably.
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Trigun? It's a good series... I give it 8.5/10. it manages to be hilarious many times and still it has quite a serious plot in the end.

Dragon Knight... never seen that one..
Habeeb it...

 

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Dragon Knight? Saw the first one, I think. that's a bit ecchi ( mild erotism ), isn't it? If not, well, it's not what I think, probably.


Yeah, that's the one! Poor guy...surrounded by all those ckicks and he hasn't the time:lol:

Anyone seen Beserk? The ending is left with the most "?" I ever seen.
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Yeah, that's the one! Poor guy...surrounded by all those ckicks and he hasn't the time:lol:

Anyone seen Beserk? The ending is left with the most "?" I ever seen.


Yeah, Berserk rocks. The pb with the ending is that it's not the end :p.
In fact, the whole series would be just an introduction to the plot in the manga.
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Offline TrashMan

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the guy cut off his own arm...and his darling was beeing r**** before his eyes by demons...

But boy, once he grabs his big ol' sword it's a real slaughterfest!
What did they call him? Centuryslayer?
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