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Offline Gloriano

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Reply #20 on: December 14, 2003, 09:38:54 am
pretty good:)
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Reply #21 on: December 14, 2003, 10:51:19 am
*has seen three Trek movies and about 10 Trek episodes (TNG and TOS). Wasn't intrigued*
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Reply #22 on: December 14, 2003, 12:24:42 pm
stu....this is NOT your ORDINARY arround the block star trek....WATCH THE TRAILER MAN!
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Reply #23 on: December 14, 2003, 01:38:23 pm
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HAHAHAHHA!

voyager has more plot holes and time travel than all the other series combined!



I beg to differ. Enterprise already has to be way ahead of Voyager in these respects. Plot holes are more Trek-lore-wise than specifically regarding a certain episode (detailed scans of Borg a hundred years before E-D encountered them? And Data didn't have the slightest clue what they were on the first contact with them?? :wtf: ), and as for time travel - hah! The whole overriding and recurring plot of Enterprise is this Temporal Cold War.


...not that they haven't been, for the most part, very good episodes this 3rd season... :nervous:

EDIT: Ok, just watched the trailer. Didn't even find it mildly funny, but from the parts that my eyes were able to catch in-between twitching from the screen to the subtitles and back, it looked like they have some EXTREMELY talented 3D artists and stuff - I don't think I've ever seen special effects that impressive. :nod: :yes:
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Reply #24 on: December 14, 2003, 02:52:46 pm
They also directly contradict Voyager in the very title of the show. According to Voyager, the NX-01 was the Dauntless. Not to mention the fact that they completely screwed up the Romulans and gave them cloaking devices (anyone remember "The Enterprise Incident" from TOS?)....

EDIT: Sorry, wrong episode. I meant "Balance of Terror".
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Reply #25 on: December 14, 2003, 03:07:09 pm
Another example of this is the Ferengi's appearance in the first season.  Why would no one on the Stargazer recognize them?
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Reply #26 on: December 14, 2003, 03:21:38 pm
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They also directly contradict Voyager in the very title of the show. According to Voyager, the NX-01 was the Dauntless. Not to mention the fact that they completely screwed up the Romulans and gave them cloaking devices (anyone remember "The Enterprise Incident" from TOS?)....

EDIT: Sorry, wrong episode. I meant "Balance of Terror".


And had the Rihannsu (sp?) call themselves "Romulans", too. :doubt:
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Another example of this is the Ferengi's appearance in the first season.  Why would no one on the Stargazer recognize them?

Yeah, although at least they didn't mention the name "Ferengi" at all.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #27 on: December 14, 2003, 05:03:02 pm
I don't care about the plot holes that much. I care about the crappy writing.

For instance they recently showed the Season 2 episode where Hoshi turns invisible. It was a good enough episode until the bit where they decided that they hadn't got a clue how to end it and decicded it was all a dream.

Seriously if that is the best they can up with for an episode it's time to give up doing trek for a few years.
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Reply #28 on: December 14, 2003, 06:57:20 pm
I have an odd feeling we're going to have this entire series be obliterated in the final season by "Year of Hell" syndrome.  The entire series wiped off the map. Either that, or a new show set in the TOS era of the "new" Trek universe.
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Reply #29 on: December 15, 2003, 01:21:08 am
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I have an odd feeling we're going to have this entire series be obliterated in the final season by "Year of Hell" syndrome.  The entire series wiped off the map. Either that, or a new show set in the TOS era of the "new" Trek universe.


Yeah, all those hints Daniels has dropped about various things never having taken place according to "his" future timeline... but while I'm not surprised to find them doing those "nothing-really-happened-at-all" plots on an episodal basis, I'd be very surprised to discover that they drop that same kind of thing on us at a seasonal - or, even worse, a series - level. :doubt:

Related to timelines altering, I've been reading through a book by Orson Scott Card, called "Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Colombus". It's quite a book, dealing very adeptly with timelines, time vs. causality (Merovingian, anyone?), etc etc. Quite a good read. :yes:
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #30 on: December 15, 2003, 04:48:59 am
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Related to timelines altering, I've been reading through a book by Orson Scott Card, called "Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Colombus". It's quite a book, dealing very adeptly with timelines, time vs. causality (Merovingian, anyone?), etc etc. Quite a good read. :yes:


I'll have to keep an eye out for that. OSC writes pretty interesting stuff although I've only read the Ender & Bean books.
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Reply #31 on: December 15, 2003, 05:26:43 am
So where might I download Star Wreck 1-5?  They're not on the site, and I can't find any mirrors.
 

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Reply #32 on: December 15, 2003, 06:41:57 am
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So where might I download Star Wreck 1-5?  They're not on the site, and I can't find any mirrors.


Here you go
http://www.starwreck.com/oldies/

The link was on the main page :)
 

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Reply #33 on: December 15, 2003, 12:52:21 pm
Thanks. :)

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The link was on the main page :)

Curious; I didn't see it anywhere. :confused:
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