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Offline adwight

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Perhaps the US will strike a deal with Saddam, to find the chemical weapons places...
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Apparently if Saddam talks he wont get turned over to the Iraqis (yet) but if he doesn't...

 

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Originally posted by aldo_14
I'm slightly worried about what happens now...... odds are Saddam will be put on trial in an Iraq court. Odds are, he'll be guilty (certainty). Odds are, he'll be executed.

For the average Arab, will this not look like a kangeroo court being controlled by the US to remove an opponent? Granted, there's not much doubt amongst sane people that Saddam doesn't deserve it - but it still looks dodgy.

There has to be an independent, UN trial. Not just for the sake of fairness, but for the sake of preventing a martyrdom. [/b]


No decision on what kind of trial ol' Madass will be facing. The UN doesn't want to try him if there's any chance he'll get the death penalty through a UN trial.

I also heard that the Hague isn't ready to try him, as there are concerns that he'd try to disrupt his own trial like Milosevic(sp?) is trying to do with his. (Slobodan Milosevic is the former dictator of Yugoslavia and is in the Hague for war crimes in Bosnia, for those of you who don't know. He spends more time denouncing the UN than defending himself in his war crimes trial.)

No way is he going to get tried in the USA; that would smack too much of "victor's justice" and would be resented as a kangaroo court all over the world, even among our allies.

In any case, he's not going to trial anytime soon; he's more valuable as an informant on his cronies. Even if Saddam lies through his teeth during his interrogation, he can still give away valuable information.

The poor schmuck didn't even have the balls to kill himself when he was captured. Was that pistol he had in that hole with him just for show? :lol:

And we got some nice pics of his humiliated, raggedy ass during his medical exam beamed all over the planet. Can't imagine that the Muslim fundies or the Saddam loyalists are feeling too good about now...:D
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I'm surprised he didn't go the Hitler route....
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I'm just saying, deposed dictators usually do one of two things:
1. Flee the country and go into exile.
2. Blow their brains out.
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Apparently Saddam isn't really that erm.. 'dedicated' though. Murdering Ruthless Dictator, yes, but a real life matyr? Not a chance.
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Seriously tho - I think he should be sent to the Hague. Its how we've always dealt with war criminals since post Nuremberg (sp?).


Except for Eichmann (he was post-Nurenberg, right?). He was hiding his lil' ass down in Argentina.
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Except for Eichmann (he was post-Nurenberg, right?). He was hiding his lil' ass down in Argentina.


Close enough. The point is we need to give some international credibility to this farce the yanks have made of post war management (and I supported this war btw).
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Close enough. The point is we need to give some international credibility to this farce the yanks have made of post war management (and I supported this war btw).


Last I read, the Iraqi whatever said they'd put him to death for his crimes, so methinks they should just let the new Iraqi govt. deal with him.
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Well, it certainly means we don't have to worry about what to do with him.

Unfortunately I suspect the international community will be incandescent at the Coalition for not stopping a "brutal act of revenge" (note predicted soundbite!)
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ya know, bush doesn't regosnise the hague.

and i'd hate to see what happens to that city when saddam is held there, it get's kinda messy to have riot cops all over the place.
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Yeh well maybe its time he started recognising it. :rolleyes:
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So... uhh.... precisely what are they accusing him of? Being a "Bad Man"?
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[q]So... uhh.... precisely what are they accusing him of? Being a "Bad Man"?[/q]

Crimes against humanity, although I prefer to define it as a breach of the Geneva convention (and a couple of thousad human rights abuses). Thanks to the yanks carry on with G. Bay thats not very likely though.

The Iraqi government will probably try him for treason of some sort, since the standing argument is that he oppressed his own people as well as others.
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Except for Eichmann (he was post-Nurenberg, right?). He was hiding his lil' ass down in Argentina.


IIRC, Israel conducted a raid inside Argentina to grab Eichmann and put him on trial. Technically, that's a violation of another nation's sovereign territory (I think), but I still applaud the move all the same (and never mind the fact that I was born in Agentina). :D

I remember what happened with the Achille Lauro incident back in the '80s, when the USA used Navy fighters to force a civilian airliner carrying fleeing terrorists to put down at a US military base. The terrorists tried to flee after they hijacked the Achille Lauro cruise liner and killed a Jewish-American (who was in a wheelchair). The terrorists were captured and sent to jail after their trial, but many European countries (and my father, schmuck that he is) denounced the US action of forcing the plane down as "airborne piracy." Of course, most, if not all, Americans hailed the move.

In a post 9/11 world, aggressive actions like these are more important and necessary than ever.
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Wait a sec', I thought the war was about weapons? Big weapons? Are you telling me it was all about human rights and **** after all? Wowzer.
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So what, they just let him go now since they've yet to find anything?
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[q]Wait a sec', I thought the war was about weapons? Big weapons? Are you telling me it was all about human rights and **** after all? Wowzer.[/q]

George W and Tony Bliar said that - not me, nor most people supporting the war. I've always admitted it was a strategic move.
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