[Nico]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
Venom, it's the most powerful rocket NOW, but I bet you my bottom dollar that the Saturn V was more powerful.

Obviously, it was at least twice as big

[01010]

Originally posted by aldo_14

 It's a classic case study for **** software engineering.... although i've heard a rumour that the reason for it blowing up was actually an even more embarrassing software error.

Blue Screen Of Death?

Also, DG please note that forum rules state that all instances of "to the max" must be in caps lock form with at least two trailing exclamation marks. (Check the sig)

[mikhael]

Even with this, I'll be voting against the guy. He can't violate his own campaign promises repeatedly, screw over the people, suck corporate cocks and be allowed to get away with it.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Stunaep


Yeah, and instead of spending billions of dollars on making movies, we could just give all that money to the hungry and poor.

What's your point?

Ask yourself, how many dollars each year get put into movies that are completely pointless, without a hint of artistic vision or anything resembeling an intereating story and characters. Off the top of my head, I could name about 15-20 for 2003. Thats literally billions of dollars down the drain, because some dumb tennybopper wants to see another girl-meets-boy movie. Or another teen movie.

So, should Hollywood stop making movies? Not completely. But for ****s sake, stop paying some egotistical brat 20 million to spend a month so that we can have the same old crap we've had a thousand times before, and never liked. A good movie, like a good book, is an artistic creation and serves the cultural benefit of mankind. However, **** like The "Hack the Earth" Core, or Chasing Liberty can be done away with as far as I'm concerned.

Let me ask you a simple question, and just answer honestly. The implication is that ENTERTAINMENT for Americans is of greater priority than SURVIVAL for say, Africans. And you're OK with that?

[Corsair mk. 2]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/09/bush.space/index.html

WE'RE GOING BACK!

And it'll be just the right time for me, too. Give it ten or fifteen years... I'll be in my late 20s... I WANNA GO!

[Nico]

There's already a thread about it:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,20011.0.html

Threads merged, so this link is dead. // Sandwich

[Grey Wolf]

You know, we could probably have developed some sort of nuclear fusion drive years ago, if it wasn't for the fact that that sort of thing was banned in the Cold War era for a good reason.

[Corsair mk. 2]

OOps

[Nico]

Originally posted by Rictor
But for ****s sake, stop paying some egotistical brat 20 million to spend a month so that we can have the same old crap we've had a thousand times before, and never liked.

They do it coz it sells, and therefore makes more money than they spend. You think there's too much of those? Blame all those who go and watch those things. Anyway, that makes the whole statement about wasted money wrong, since doing that crap makes money.

[Corsair mk. 2]

In ten or fifteen years I'll be in my late 20s... I can go! Yay!

GWB must have read my mind... not bad for a man with a 91 IQ.

[Ace]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
I'm just hoping nothing happens within the next year (probably won't) so GWB still won't get re-elected.

I agree. I hope he puts all of the things in motion so his evil re-election scheme can't be stopped when someone else takes office. (Because for once the schmuck is doing something that might help humanity for once) But I don't want to see him re-elected.

[Corsair mk. 2]

If he is re-elected... I'm moving to Canada. But I'm still going to the Moon.

[Flipside]

ROFL That's almost signiaturable

[mikhael]

Let's not forget that Bush Sr. said these same things in the run up to the 1988 elections. Bush Sr. promised a manned mission to mars in 20yrs and a return to the moon during his administration.

Neither mission was ever funded, nor got to the planning stage. During his time in office, he blatantly ignored his campaign promises. Why should his son do any differently?

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Nico


They do it coz it sells, and therefore makes more money than they spend. You think there's too much of those? Blame all those who go and watch those things. Anyway, that makes the whole statement about wasted money wrong, since doing that crap makes money.

Number 1, I do blame those who see that sort of crap. Well, not so much blame. Whats between loathing and pity? You may think that its very presumptous of me to judge others, and I would agree with you, however I think that you will admit that the movies I am reffering to have no artisitc merit. Movies are subjective, yes. And I am relucant to label any artisitc (and I use the word loosely) creation better than any other. However, art for the sake of cultural advancement is a valid goal, "art" for the sake of sheer profit is not (IMHO).

Number 2, its not the making of money which concerns me. Its the investing thereof. It doesnt matter how much a person/corporation/governement makes, if they squander it. See what I mean?

And lastly, I may just be stupid in this respect, but can someone explain to me how a mission to Mars will help humanity. Scientific discoveries that do not directly benefit humanity, though marvelous things they are useless when facing the problems of today. I would whole-heartedly encourage the exploration of space if the situation here on Earth were not so dire. Though I am extremely interested in the science behind a manned Mars mission, a swell as the discoveries to be made, that feeling is outweighed by concern. Concern for all those on Earth who's needs (needs, not wants. I'm talking about survival, not luxury) are being ignored to help land a man on Mars aswell as to help the man who is in part reponsible for their situation get re-elected.

The leader that is remembered is not the one who builds schools and funds health-care. It is not the one who helps wipe out hunger or helps restore the environment. Its the one who wins wars, who launches Mars missions, who gives his citizens a "vision", makes them to feel great about themselves, regardless of the reality of their situation or anyone elses. And I must say that I'm disapointed at how eagerly people swallow it.

And yes, I too have noticed that I am being very vocal in the past few days, but atleast my rants always more or less pertain to the topic at hand. That, and they're not flamewars but rather legitimate points.

[karajorma]

DG's fault for not giving it a clear enough title really

[Nico]

Well, actually, they'd have to find ways to keep found supplies w/o having a gigantic fridge, water recyclage, power saves, many, many things. I do think the outcomes of things like that on commoners life are real. Not instantaneous, of course, but real.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by mikhael
Let's not forget that Bush Sr. said these same things in the run up to the 1988 elections. Bush Sr. promised a manned mission to mars in 20yrs and a return to the moon during his administration.

Neither mission was ever funded, nor got to the planning stage. During his time in office, he blatantly ignored his campaign promises. Why should his son do any differently?

There's a 2 term limit anyway, isn't there?  So why actually keep promises if you can't re-run......

[magatsu1]

I just watched somethin' about  Mars expiditions on TV.
NASA is investigating the long term possibilites of terra forming Mars. I'm talking generations here.

What could be bigger than the colonization of Mars ?
Hey, you gotta start somewhere.

[IceFire]

Apparently of any planet observed in our solar system, Mars would be by far the easiest of planets to terraform.  Its got quite a few of the things that we have here on Earth its just not in the same balance.

One thing I wonder about however...I don't think Mars has a magnetic field.  Or at least not one that protects the planet like the Earths field does so whats the deal?