[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Splinter


ayet listen, an AGP8 cardd will run on agp 4 2 and agp 1 even jsut at those speeds... but heres the kicked there is a diffrence really of jsut miliseconds... so to say to watch out for a card that is agp 2 is jsut paranoined... go for the agp 8 itll run at agp 2 untill you get an agp 8 mobo... whats the problem? besides i dont think you can FIND and non agp 8 Graphics card around now adays.

A millisecond is a hell of a long time for a computer........  bear in mind that if you place an 8x AGP card in a 2x slot you will be losing a lot of potential performance because it can't get the maximum amount of data though the AGP.

There may also be a voltage difference to consider...I think some cards may only work on 8x voltage.

[Splinter]

yeah well seconds in real time is not worth him getting an agp2 card when he can still use an agp8 card that just runs a tad slower.... and i was running for some months an agp2 card in agp slot.... no problems... its like memory... if you mobo only supports up to 2700 you can still buy 3200 DDR itll jsut run at 2700.... its all good.

[magatsu1]

If you can find a good one, I'd be inclined to get a 2nd hand Geforce3. Saw one at my works intranet, a 128bit Ti,  for £30.

[kasperl]

ok, i just got a Radeon 9600 128MB DVI-TV-Out. now,i am going to see if it will work.

[kasperl]

scratch that. i pressed the power button, the fans started, and i heard beep-beep-beep. ergo, wrong voltage on the AGP slot.

CRAP

i'll go buy something else.

[vyper]

[kasperl]

ok, full story.

i go to the  computer store in the city because the local one is known tol be expensive, and i buy a Radeon 9600, wich should work on AGP 2x. it doesn't. i go back, get half my money plus a 9200 returned. i still hear beep beep beep. i go back, get all my money back, and i go to the local store in dispair. i get a Radeon 7000 for 40 euro's, and it works.

[Kazan]

how about i pipe in ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GEFORCE

call me a nVidia basher if you want but i'm probably the only person in here who regularily fixes random peoples computers and i've seen more than too many nVidia boards burn out


AND From an Computer Engineering standpoint nVidia video cards are total crap - they haven't redesigned their core since the TnT days - they've just been adding coprocessing units and praying that they can safely clock it up higher.  The HUGE cooling units required for their latested offerings are symptomatic of this lack of R&D.  Their competitors at ATI have redesigned their cores numerious times (R100, R200, R250, R300, R350) in hte last few years and have not had to increase the termal dissipation rate on their boards - in fact some of them (like the Radeon 9600 SE (R350) actually have only passive cooling, a downgrade in the thermal dissipation rate and they run like rocks).


all of nVidia's profits are because they were not reinvesting in research and developement of future GPU offerings and it has caught up to them with their latest offerings.  Talk to anybody who really understands hardware and they'll tell you this.  I've discussed this with people who have PhD's in Computer Engineering and they wholeheartedly agree.


ATI is the only real choice, choosing nVidia is going to the craps table


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Current Issue at hand
Wrong voltage on AGP slot? what is your motherboard

(a r7000 is still an upgrade from what you had... you must have a really old mobo thou....)

[Grey Wolf]

You need an AGP Rev. 2.0 card, I believe. Well, 1.0 or 2.0. Not quite sure which. Try a Ti4200, that might work.

[kasperl]

my mobo is crap, real crap.

now, i got a nice, working radeon 9700.


BTW, both the Radeon 9600 128, 9200 64 and this 7000 64 have passive cooling.

[Kazan]

kasperl: my point exactly

[kasperl]

indeed.


now, any tips on getting a 3-5cm diameter P3 fan getting to be quieter? it is kinda dusty, how do i clean it?

Radeon's do seem cool, i have no case fan aside from the power supply fan wich is inavertably blocked by my IDE cables, and that tiny processor fan.

[Gloriano]

Kasp you did Chose fine card

[Kazan]

clean the dust out with some compressed air

get a quieter fan? you should hear my cooling fan .... oh yeah.. you can't it's silent!

my core temperature doesn't even rise under load! (I have an Athlon XP 2500+ with a Coolermaster Aero 7+)

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Kazan
I'm probably the only person in here who regularily fixes random peoples computers and i've seen more than too many nVidia boards burn out

[color=66ff00]I'm the computer fixer in my neck of the woods here, I rarely see anything Nvidia equipped though.

Currently celebrating the fact that I bought a Radeon 9800 pro 128mb, installs with ease, runs a treat. Bliss.
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[kasperl]

mmm, i sometimes fix other peoples machines, but it still isn't a real regular thing. mostly i fix the comp, and get paid per hour at the same rate as an averag babysitter. 2,50-5,00 € per hour really. which is quite a lot for the low amount of knowlegde i have.

[Kazan]

i fix friends puters for free, so i get a lot of traffic

[kasperl]

yeah, i don't have the time to do a lot, and i don't mind getting a bit of extra pocket money. my job basicly consists of hooking up speakers, and teaching people that if you put a typo in a email adress that it really won't work. and that you don't need a live net conn to write an email, not if you have POP.

so basicly, forgetting user=loser and switching back your mind a few steps.

[Grey Wolf]

I help some people, but it's more light troubleshooting and hardware recommendations as opposed to serious repairs.