[Fineus]

That's where you hit the grey area - my point was that I can't stand people with the angle "we are red, they are blue. Therefore when they die it doesn't matter - they aren't like us".

It feels like it's bordering on Nazism.

[Zeronet]

Yes well, i have a far better reason than colours.

[Fineus]

I'm all ears?

[Gloriano]

I think all peoples earn live in this blue planet

But of course terrorist don't belong  here because they hurt Civilians and do so much damage

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]You should become a politician, HIG.[/color]

[Gloriano]

Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]You should become a politician, HIG.[/color]

And hear that bulls-**** other politician speak no thanks

[Flipside]

Nothing is never down to pure good and evil, and patriotism  is the most fickle reason ever to condone death.
Indeed, Hitler was a shining example of what happens when Patriotism goes mad, and turns into Elitism.

[Odyssey]

Originally posted by Holy Imperial Gloriano
And hear that bulls-**** other politician speak no thanks

[color=cc9900]See what I mean? Prime A-1 grade politician material.[/color]

[diamondgeezer]

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Zeronet


But in this case, there iraqi insurgents, practically terrorists because they target their own people, who are quite simply, evil. Thus, i'd much rather they died, than british soldiers, who are trying to help this country, not hinder it. Though of course, i'd much rather they were imprisoned, but that is not practical in these circumstances.

Great stuff.

Terrorists are defined as people who murder, in an organized fashion and on a large scale, civilians. The bombing of Iraq has killed well over 10,000 civilians. Now, tell me again, who are the terrorists?

The fighters in Iraq right now, they are what is called a resistance movement. Perhaps you've heard of such a concept. They exist to drive out the American soldiers who are illegally occupying their country. This seems like a legitimate cause to me.

But let me guess, anyone who kills Americans, soldiers or not, is a terriorist? Right?


Thundfireth: Right on. However, I thought that Three Kings was the usual "brave Americans" movie. Real soldiers would never do that, never risk their lives for Iraqis. They would take the gold and gun everyone else down. The Americans were glorified, the Iraqis (well, those who weren't shown as helpless victims) weere demonized, as usual.

I STRONGLY urge you to go rent a movie called No Man's Land. It shows just how ****ed up war really is, without skewing the perception to any one side.

[Fineus]

Rictor, I do see what you mean - it was really a case of "isn't that nice, the goody Americans helped the innocent Iraqi civilians", but that scene alone (disregarding the rest of the film) where the Iraqi interogates Barlow does actually have a lot of truth in it. Just because someone is the member of an army - doesn't make them naturally evil. Germans and Allied troops playing football over Christmas between the trenches anyone? They had more in common with eachother than their respective superiors.

However I'm totally against the killing of others because of their beliefs, religion or color (or any other attribute for that matter). If it's their actions however - and those actions are to harm others - then something should be done. Unfortunately - as I said it's a grey area... each circumstance is different. So I can't get into more detail regarding that.

[Gloriano]

Terrorists are defined as people who murder, in an organized fashion and on a large scale, civilians. The bombing of Iraq has killed well over 10,000 civilians. Now, tell me again, who are the terrorists?

rememper Josef Stalin killed millions civilians was he terrorist no he was not some say he was great leader but truth is he was dictator

[Lightspeed]

Are you talking to me? I mean, if those Iraqis weren't dead, Americans or Coalition forces could be dead in their place--a bad thing.

It's sentences like those that really make me fear about the future of humanity.

You seriously think there's 'better humans' and humans whose life isn't worth a damn?

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by Lightspeed


It's sentences like those that really make me fear about the future of humanity.

You seriously think there's 'better humans' and humans whose life isn't worth a damn?

Yes. Those who kill my countrymen deserve to die. If you try to kill my family, I will destroy you without hesitation.

I consider my countrymen my family.


~Beowulf

[Krackers87]

Originally posted by Rictor

Terrorists are defined as people who murder, in an organized fashion and on a large scale, civilians. The bombing of Iraq has killed well over 10,000 civilians. Now, tell me again, who are the terrorists?
 

Those are over exagerated reports by iraqi official attempting to turn others against us.

Saddam was killing thousands of his own people, whould you rather we just let that continue?

Think of how many thousands more would've died if we didnt end it?

Think that with the death of saddam from old age or disease, his sons wouldnt contine his reign? Think again, they were just as crazy as him, And not only that but he would be invading other countrys slaughtering their people as he has done before.

and we may have killed many civilians accidentaly but it is the means to bring an end, because after we are done, hopefully no one will have to die under those circumstances ever again.

[Gloriano]

and we may have killed many civilians accidentaly

In war there is no that kind word of course there civilians die's in heavy bomping and when soldiers fighting in streets

[Krackers87]

but we are not specificaly targetting them

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Beowulf



Yes. Those who kill my countrymen deserve to die. If you try to kill my family, I will destroy you without hesitation.

I consider my countrymen my family.


~Beowulf

ok, so let's say you live near a border. if someone from over the other side knocked someone from your side out in a pub, would you pick up a crowbar and get some payback?

no-one is superior here. i consider every human life as equal. off course, when i have to choose between a member of my family, and someone i don;t know, the decision i hope to never have to make, i would choose my family, because i know them, because i place value in them. but if i had to choose between some drunken dickhead from Holland and some high prospect college kid from the States, or Iraq, or Russia, i would choose the college kid.

really, patriotism isn;t evil, it will just lead to evil if you don't stop and think often enough.

[Gloriano]

Originally posted by kasperl


ok, so let's say you live near a border. if someone from over the other side knocked someone from your side out in a pub, would you pick up a crowbar and get some payback?

no-one is superior here. i consider every human life as equal. off course, when i have to choose between a member of my family, and someone i don;t know, the decision i hope to never have to make, i would choose my family, because i know them, because i place value in them. but if i had to choose between some drunken dickhead from Holland and some high prospect college kid from the States, or Iraq, or Russia, i would choose the college kid.

really, patriotism isn;t evil, it will just lead to evil if you don't stop and think often enough.

[Krackers87]

btw, what codecs does the apache vid clip use?

it wont work