[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]Petrarch, no, I'm not. They're not vegetarians [/color]

[Petrarch of the VBB]

If only they knew that, eh?

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]They're almost as annoying as so-called "Semi-vegetarians", who only eat meat on Sundays or when they're depressed or whatever.

Anyway. I'm off to cook me some rice. Mmm, Basmarti...[/color]

[aldo_14]

I have nothing against veggies....

however, I willl  be a happy man when the forces of hell drag PETA back down to the lowest level.  What bunch of evangelical ****wits that lot is........

[phreak]

maddox is teh funnay!!1
http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]Expletives... Rising... Must... Resist...

He seems to think that vegetarians are some kind of perfectionists. We're not. We simply reduce the amount of unnecessary killing of animals. There is no way we can ever completely stop that, as accidents happen. The point is we're trying to do the best we can. Of course it's not going to be absolute perfection, nothing works like that. But at least we try. He's not even trying, yet he shifts blame away from himself to us instead under the cover of "I don't mind, here, you mind, you can take the blame for me".

It's not about elimination, it's about conservation. The PETA response has the right idea, you reduce consumption and you reduce the effects.

I'm not quite sure who I just said that to. Never mind.[/color]

[aldo_14]

Eat what you want - Just don't presume to tell me what to eat, or how to live my life.

NB:  not aimed at you Odyssey- a general statement towards the likes of PETA.

[mikhael]

Since when is PETA about moderation? Their message is not 'reduce', its 'remove'. PETA is every bit as bad as Bush and his cronies who fight to keep the US sucking on the oil-pipe. Extremes are always bad.

And hey, some of those meat eating vegetarians (yeah, I know, they're weird) have an interesting basis: the Bible doesn't class birds or fish as animals.

[diamondgeezer]

He doesn't claim to be trying to save animals. That's a large part of his point. Another part is asking why you killing less animals than him to live makes you morally superior. You're both killers, is his point.

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]mikhael:
I was referring to the PETA response to that article. I don't actually know much about the organisation itself bar the basic premise of what it stands for. And, the Bible says a lot of things

diamondgeezer:
Personally I do think that killing less and not eating the results is at least slightly on the moral high ground. And, let's face it, it isn't much effort.[/color]

[redmenace]

 people yelled at me for turning this into a political thread. MY GOSH

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by Odyssey
Personally I do think that killing less and not eating the results is at least slightly on the moral high ground. And, let's face it, it isn't much effort.[/color]

Giving up kebabs and KFC is effort enough

Red's right, mind. I knew posting that last comment was a mistake. I'm bailing out of this thread *jumps*

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]I'm going to be an extreme left-chicken-wingist here and say 'kill all cows, they're bad for the environment'.

Or is that right wing? I dunno, I never read up on politics and my hands are already unbearably greasy from handling this crap.
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[aldo_14]

PETA == food nazis

Anyways, how could a cow possibly survive in the wild?  I mean, the furry highland cows could manage (they're basically mini-mammoths), but yer bog-standard fresian(?) cow?  It's not even camoflauged.

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]Guess what got us into that hole? Over time we bred the animals to be domestic, and so now they're wholly reliant on us. Easier now to just let the current generation grow old and let them become extinct - if there are any animals left untouched by human intervention, they can have their land back.[/color]

[mikhael]

Over dependence on domestication of animals is very much a bad thing. Of course, overpopulation of any species (including humans) is too.

Me, I spend more on organic, free-range stuff just so I won't be giving money to the battery farmers and the like.

[magatsu1]

Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]let them become extinct [/color]

that doesn't sound very animal friendly. What's in it for the cows ?

[SadisticSid]

Originally posted by aldo_14
PETA == food nazis

Anyways, how could a cow possibly survive in the wild?  I mean, the furry highland cows could manage (they're basically mini-mammoths), but yer bog-standard fresian(?) cow?  It's not even camoflauged.

Why would a cow need camoflauge? There's nothing in the UK that would kill such a huge animal for food. And think about it, they must have existed (in the wild) long before man used them for milk and meat.

You're right about PETA though. Just your bog-standard militant animal rights activists.

[Shiva Archon]

Hahaha, give the animals "their" land back?  Funny stuff.

I love how evangelical vegetarians so quickly claim the moral high ground for sticking up for what amounts to a bunch of drones.  Watching them float and sputter is always amusing.

[Odyssey]

Originally posted by magatsu1
that doesn't sound very animal friendly. What's in it for the cows ?

[color=cc9900]Letting a species become extinct is perfectly friendly and humane if done in a controlled manner. You just restrict fertility. Unfortunately a controlled extinction isn't something we've ever come across, as most of the time it's violent. We wouldn't lose anything either, as the cows are derivatives of things that would still exist.

I'm all for just letting the human species die out humanely, too. It'd solve a lot of problems.[/color]

Originally posted by Shiva Archon
Hahaha, give the animals "their" land back?  Funny stuff.

I love how evangelical vegetarians so quickly claim the moral high ground for sticking up for what amounts to a bunch of drones.  Watching them float and sputter is always amusing.

[color=cc9900]I kindly request that you shut up. I'm not trying to turn this into a flamewar. Everyone is entitled to their own views without being laughed at.

Also, may I add I specifically said that I'm not evangelising vegetarianism. Additionally, what made you think that animals are bunches of drones? Have you ever seen an animal other than what you get on your plate?[/color]