[Kazan]

http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html

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bushflash.com

[Fineus]

Heh, very nice. How much of what was said can be considered the truth though? I always thought it prudent to trust nobody when it comes to this kind of thing - it's to easy to make the facts work for you or against others, but harder to tell the unvarnished truth.

[karajorma]

Great link. Added straight to my bookmarks.

I'd read much of this in reputable broadsheets like the Guardian Kal so I'm pretty sure it's true. It's not even the worst I've heard about the florida elections either. I read stories of the police preventing black voters from voting. Considering that blacks vote 9:1 democrat that's quite a swing.

[magatsu1]

Reputable ??!!

[karajorma]

You have a problem with the Guardian? It and the Independant are about the only papers worth trusting.

[kasperl]

I'm no expert on UK papers, but the Times never seemed so bad, when i read it on my holiday's in England. the Daily Telegrpah was a good second, IIRC. the worst was off course The Daily Horror/Mirror

[karajorma]

The telegraph didn't seem too bad from what I've rarely read of it but I wouldn't trust anything in the times. It's a Rupert Murdoch paper.

[kasperl]

sorry, my knowledge on UK propaganda characters is non-existant, please elaborate.

[Flipside]

Actually, the UK is one of the few countries which still has several different 'free' presses.
Many are politically motivated, leaning either to the left or the right, 2 claim to be independant, though that is debateable.

Our main problem is that (1) The papers go way over the top in the way of invading privacy, usually to obtain (2) Pictures of womens breasts.

[Lightspeed]

heh the funny part is that even like this, Gore had more votes than Bush. Still Bush was made president.

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Flipside
Actually, the UK is one of the few countries which still has several different 'free' presses.
Many are politically motivated, leaning either to the left or the right, 2 claim to be independant, though that is debateable.

Our main problem is that (1) The papers go way over the top in the way of invading privacy, usually to obtain (2) Pictures of womens breasts.

number 2 is something i noted when spotting the Daily Mirror in the newspaper racks, the difference between it's cover and that of the "magazines" on the top shelf was minimal. unless it had some really horrific bloodbad picture to show instead.

[Kazan]

that information has 100% veracity

[karajorma]

Originally posted by kasperl
sorry, my knowledge on UK propaganda characters is non-existant, please elaborate.

Murdoch is the same guy who runs FOX in America.

[kasperl]

strange, really, i never noticed that much of it. i could be mixing up things, off course.

[magatsu1]

I read the Sun and am proud of it!!!
*thumps table*

[01010]

Why?

Personally I wouldn't be proud to wipe my ****ing arse on that rag of a paper.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Kalfireth
Heh, very nice. How much of what was said can be considered the truth though? I always thought it prudent to trust nobody when it comes to this kind of thing - it's to easy to make the facts work for you or against others, but harder to tell the unvarnished truth.

Hate to say it, Thunder, but all of its true. Its been backed up by numerous sources. The original research was done by a British newspaper. I can probably find the original citations if you really want.

Its a sad, sad thing. As much as I dislike Bush, I'd dislike him just a little less if he'd been actually, fairly elected.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by magatsu1
I read the Sun and am proud of it!!!
*thumps table*

Oh come on. You complained about the Guardian as a reputable source and then say you read the Sun!

*wonders if this is more of that sarcasm stuff he was told about*

[demon442]

Instant Bookmark

A very well done flash movie with decient sounding music and well planned momentum all rolled into a strong and focused political message.

4 out of 5 stars in my opinion.  Could've used a bit more meat to it and a bit slower playback for the non speed-readers.

[Bobboau]

well it was designed to mesmorize more than inform, so...