[an0n]

Hold on a minute!

I realise this's probably already been mentioned in the thread, but if people were crying then the film (or at least they) have completely and utterly missed the point of Jesus dying.

If anything they should be crying at how horrifically the film has perverted one of the supposedly greatest gestures of love and hope ever to have happened.

[Kazan]

*smiles*

[Gank]

Maybe they were from one of the many religions that dont recognise Jesus as the son of god and were crying because the poor deluded fella was getting sliced and diced for nothing

[icespeed]

hey! it was an act of love and SACRIFICE, which involves giving something, namely life. it's painful. it was necessary, and it was painful. just because it was also loving doesn't mean it wasn't painful.

[Kazan]

Gank: hehehe


icespeed: you missed the point of what we're saying and why we're saying it

[Nuclear1]

*sigh*

Some people just don't get it...

an0n, people were crying because this movie put the death of Jesus and his sacrifice in a way that noone or anything has depicted it in the past. The past movies about Jesus depicted the story as mostly his teachings, then about fifteen minutes of death.

This one, however, was different. Showing the blood and scars that he was being "tortured" with put things in a different perspective, and to think that he took all of that for unworthy people like me is very powerful. In other words, Gestalt auf, Kazan, oder schließt auf.

[an0n]

Yeah, but considering he had the divine powerage and could instantly heal himself, showing him with all the blood and scars portrays him as something of an attention whore and a drama queen. Or, if you're inclined to think that way, that he was a complete liar.

[an0n]

Originally posted by icespeed
hey! it was an act of love and SACRIFICE, which involves giving something, namely life. it's painful. it was necessary, and it was painful. just because it was also loving doesn't mean it wasn't painful.

Any moron can get beaten, tortured and killed by the Romans. Hell, they used to crucify dozens of people every day. But to NOT get beaten and tortured means you've not been broken, that you've still go something to live for and that STILL letting them kill you is all the more potent.

Any moron can accept death when they know they're gonna die, but only the really cool ones can accept death when they're in perfect health and could still live a long, productive life.

[Nuclear1]

Or that he surrendered his "divine powerage" to become a man, take the beating, be abandoned by God, and defeat death. The only reason he is turning into an "attention whore" or "drama queen" is by people like you who put the spotlight on what faults you can try to find in him.

It's the greatest act of love and sacrifice that anyone has ever made. And at that... meh, forget it. I'm going to go take a nap...

[Kazan]

babelfish diese antwort

Schließ deine mund.  Ich verstehe, warum die weinen. Aber Ich meine es ist dumm, darum zu weinen.  Es brauch eines mensch unlogisch (religious) zu sein.

[an0n]

IF HE WAS REALLY THE SON OF GOD, HE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY FAULTS!

Unless you're willing to accept that either God can be wrong or that your assesment of God is wrong.

[Nuclear1]

HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY BLOODY FAULTS! THAT'S THE WHOLE BLOODY POINT![/I]

[an0n]

Being an attention whore would seem to be a fault.

[Nuclear1]

Eh? Where was that? If you're referring to my earlier comment, that was off of your post as well.

Anyone notice how I oughta just leave now?

[an0n]

Normally I'd want you to stay so I could grind your feeble pro-Jesus reasoning into the ground like the face of a 2-bit hooker, but I need a shower, so.......

[Goober5000]

an0n: just because he didn't immediately heal himself doesn't mean he didn't want to.  But it was necessary to go through with it to accomplish his purpose of suffering in our place.  He loved us so much he bore the full brunt of our punishment vicariously.  That's the whole point.

[an0n]

So you're telling me that the all-powerful divine spirit went to all the trouble of reorganising matter and energy on a scale never before seen, to concieve a child with magic powers just so 32 years later he could completely recant all the previous laws of God and eventually be nailed to a big piece of wood along-side murderers and rapists; All so that a bunch of rednecks and hill-billies wouldn't have to offer up a goat as a sacrifice to God every time they went and ****ed their daughter?

Do you have any idea how stupid the entire concept is?

My personal bias aside, why would a being of infinite power go to all the trouble just so he could make a token gesture to the people of Earth?

He's God, for **** sake. He could have just rained fire down on them till they listened. Hell, he could even just forgive them once they got up to the Gates of Heaven.

Doesn't it at all strike you as odd?

[Goober5000]

It does indeed. 'Tis the great mystery of God's love for us.

[an0n]

Even God has to obey the very simple concept of HAVING A REASON.

[Goober5000]

He doesn't actually; anyone can do something without a reason.  But in this case, his reason was love.  He didn't want us to go through with the punishment, but his own law demanded that the punishment be carried out.  So he carried it out on himself.