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Offline Liberator

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There is such a thing as self-control.  

The sexual urge is relatively easy to overcome, even if you've been locked in a box for 6 weeks.

Granted that some degenerates raped and murdered in Vietnam, but most of the children(we'll never know exactly) were issue from consentual couplings either with prostitutes or also young nubile Vietnamese girls who were given to American soldiers by thankful Vietnamese fathers.

BTW, I like this site.  Most of the works are from children, if they get it, why don't so many adults.This page especially, you'll never, ever misunderstand the pledge ever again.
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So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 
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Wow, given. Doesnt that kinda - sorta go like slavery? Bah, it will just cause more problems if we talk about anything.

Its about teh politics! Bring it on!

 

Offline Stryke 9

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Liberator, you have not the bleeding first clue about what you're going on about, which is why you need to resort to canned expressions of "honor" rather than exhibiting anything heartfelt. You project this glamorous altruism on random authority figures because you lack anything worth fighting for or that you can give a damn about in your own life, and your snide little personal attacks against anybody who examines the issue any further belie your addict's need for the illusion.

Soldiers are soldiers. Trained killers. There is no honor inherent in the position, nor is valuing human life part of the training. In a wartime situation, a few men have the trait and misfortune to exhibit valor and altruism (and it always is unfortunate, never mind the silly way Hollywood paints the glamorous hero riding into the sunset- the very luckiest ones get a quick death). Quite a lot, freed from the confines of any ordered social construct and whatever repressions kept them from taking a semiautomatic rifle to their office place years before, descend into barbarism of a sort that often far exceeds any misanthropy one can see in more civilized times. The absolute vast majority simply "do their job" and act neither courageous nor monstrous- they will generally mow down a village if given orders (as has been done many times in the past and will continue to be), will sometimes engage in relatively risky maneuvers when told to do so, and are generally just the stuff of militaries all over the world. These same proportions can be seen in the civilian populace, and the various people going into the military- the people who genuinely believe in some higher ideal or that they're saving the world, the "I wanna kill ****" types, and the ones who're just looking for a steady paycheck and maybe some direction and never expected to get thrown into a combat zone and shot at in the first place. Collectively, they're meat for the grinder, as far as politics is concerned. No more, no less, and questions of individual valor or evil are irrelevant.

Where it gets more interesting is the command chain, where we lose the generalities that always result from attempting to describe a huge group of people. A good commander will recognize that, at the end of things, these are human beings being dealt with, like them and the ones they know, that no matter what the outcome war is a sum total loss for the human race at large, that the benefits of conflict rarely outweigh the cost in lives and shattered nations (and shattered everything else). And they will accordingly try to avert it in all cases but where the toll on humanity would almost certainly be incredibly vast otherwise, or where the gains seem incredibly great. A bad commander has his vision obfuscated by politics, sees anybody not his countryman (and even most of them) as subhuman, animals that will either obey or be slapped down, and soldiers as mere automatons to do the slapping and make them look good. They will engage in conflict for often deeply personal aims, apathetic to the horrors that occur on the road to victory, and a truly awful one will once they have attained what they came for they often toy with it and abandon all else, ignoring the misery of the conquered and the menace of the future in exchange for momentary gains.

Now. Here we have a man who plans a war years in advance of any evidence of a threat (whether you believe he knew the evidence was false or not, he didn't have it when the war started ramping up), who did so on a flimsy and weak pretext and then followed it up with a pretext that would hardly prove a relative benefit even if carried out, who when warned of a potentially disastrous death rate tells the opposing armies to "bring it on", who has already left one country in anarchic shambles after a bloody conflict with no apparent gain to be had at all other than in forcing one man to change addresses temporarily (something he's been doing for years), and who seems to be well on the way towards doing exactly the same thing to another country. Furthermore, he's specifically invited some of his most prominent financiers to reap the sole spoils of war, and there is once again no return for the greater good at all but the greater good of the heads of Halliburton.

The world is a worse place for Bush having become President, there is no denying that. Hiding it in vague terms of honor and moral rectitude is a deeply cynical and inherently evil endeavor, and fools none but those who've never seen the real deal.
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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Liberator


Red is for blood of patriots who have died to free us.
White is for justice and government of law.
Blue is for honor and faith in all we do.

This is my flag...this is Old Glory...the Red, White and Blue.




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Offline Ace

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Also, thanks Aldo for posting the French flag. I was about to do that myself :)

GOD BLESS FRANCE!

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Originally posted by Liberator
The people who lead nations must be people of high honor and integrity, not two-faced dishonorable scum not worthy to share the same space with the likes of Washington, Lincoln or Kennedy.


Yup, my feeling too. That's why I can't vote for Bush :)
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Offline an0n

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Pfff.

"I.....don't.....CARE!!!!!" ---- an0n
"an0n's right. He's crazy, an asshole, not to be trusted, rarely to be taken seriously, and never to be allowed near your mother. But, he's got a knack for being right. In the worst possible way he can find." ---- Yuppygoat
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Offline vyper

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Gear! ;)  :lol:
"But you live, you learn.  Unless you die.  Then you're ****ed." - aldo14

 

Offline aldo_14

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Offline an0n

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Red X. White Square........No blue.
"I.....don't.....CARE!!!!!" ---- an0n
"an0n's right. He's crazy, an asshole, not to be trusted, rarely to be taken seriously, and never to be allowed near your mother. But, he's got a knack for being right. In the worst possible way he can find." ---- Yuppygoat
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Offline Rictor

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Long live Yugoslavia

or alternately, Serbia  :D :D Red, white and blue indeed
could't be bothered to go and look up a flag pic.


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Offline Grey Wolf

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Originally posted by an0n
Red X. White Square........No blue.
Uhh.... Which flag is that? The English flag is a red cross on white, the Scottish flag is a white x on blue, and Wales is a red dragon on white and green.
You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" -George Bernard Shaw

 

Offline aldo_14

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RNC attemtps to suppress anti-Bush adverts

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/07/moveon.ads/index.html

 

Offline Janos

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why have u banished liberator :(

i need my comedy relief
lol wtf

 

Offline Rictor

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The GOP is just looking for trouble. The recent Bush+firefighter ads are stirring up a fair bit of contro

versy, 'cause Bush is depicted in the ads as hugging a firefighter (logical association; Ground Zero) while at the same time he has cut large amounts of money from Firefighter and First Respone programs nationwide.

And now this.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Liberator

BTW, I like this site.  Most of the works are from children, if they get it, why don't so many adults.This page especially, you'll never, ever misunderstand the pledge ever again.


Oh look, it's the Nazi youth.

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Originally posted by Rictor
The GOP is just looking for trouble. The recent Bush+firefighter ads are stirring up a fair bit of contro

versy, 'cause Bush is depicted in the ads as hugging a firefighter (logical association; Ground Zero) while at the same time he has cut large amounts of money from Firefighter and First Respone programs nationwide.

And now this.


Especially as some Sept 11 relatives (of the people in the towers & firefighters ) have criticised this.
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Offline Blaise Russel

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I'm gonna puke.

Ugh... patriotism leaves such a bitter taste in the mouth.

 

Offline aldo_14

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I'm gonna puke.

Ugh... patriotism leaves such a bitter taste in the mouth.


It's not the patriotism.... it's all the references that you can only be a good citizen if you go to church.

It's saying - "Agree with the Presidents' beliefs to be good citizens.  don't question, don't think, don't use your right to free speech."

But because they hide this amongst positive stuff like 'volunteer for charity work, be a nice person', etc, they can get away with me.

 

Offline Ghostavo

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Can any American citizen explain this to me?
hehehe got to love these...

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States -- individual communities that have united into 50 great states. Fifty individual communities
with pride and dignity and purpose, all divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to common purpose,
and that's for love of country.


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Indivisible -- incapable of being divided.


From http://www.childrenloveamerica.org/pledge.html :D
"Closing the Box" - a campaign in the making :nervous:

Shrike is a dirty dirty admin, he's the destroyer of souls... oh god, let it be glue...

 

Offline Rictor

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Its rhetoric man, what do you expect.

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Many community groups are looking for volunteers, and some may not have occurred to you. Most of us know that churches, hospitals, and libraries use volunteers for a great deal of their work, but here are some volunteer opportunities that may not have crossed your mind:


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Prisons


:wtf: :wtf:
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