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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Justify the existence of Steam.
on: March 03, 2004, 04:11:54 pm
If, like me, you have just spent several hours trying to get the latest steam update, watching it go from 98% to 28% repeatedly, having it end half way through, being told it's unavailable, then finding that, when you have finally got the update, you can't sign in, then you will no doubt be wondering what kind of sadists brought this thing into the world.

Can anyone give me a good reaon for its existence?
 

Offline aldo_14

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Reply #1 on: March 03, 2004, 04:13:28 pm
Well, when the temperature.... oh, right that Steam.

it's so valve can make money whilst satisfuing their masiochistic tendancies.
 

Offline Rictor

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Reply #2 on: March 03, 2004, 04:14:48 pm
My bro has been trying for ages to get it to work correctly. I mean, he's spent more time on the Steam issue than he probably has on studying for school in the past year. And after 5+ tries, reinstalls and so forth, it still doesn't work.

Oh, interesting fact, Valve has hired Bram Cohen, the inventor of Bit Torrent to work on (I assume) Steam. Who knows, it might even become functional one day.

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Well, when the temperature.... oh, right that Steam.

it's so valve can make money whilst satisfuing their masiochistic tendancies.


Wouldn't that be their sadistic tendencies and our masochistic ones.
 

Offline Janos

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Reply #3 on: March 03, 2004, 04:17:25 pm
why IS steam?
lol wtf
 

Offline Liberator

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Reply #4 on: March 03, 2004, 04:29:20 pm
Steam is a misguided attempt by Valve to incorporate DRM into their software.  Actually, misguided applies to DRM in general as it treats the end-user like a criminal instead of the pirates who it's intened to stop.  

They should spend more time fixing the problem instead of putting a band-aid on the problem, as DRM has been shown not to appreciably decrease the piracy rate.
So as through a glass, and darkly
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Many names, but always me.

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Offline Kazan

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Reply #5 on: March 03, 2004, 04:44:08 pm
Boycott Steam for great justice!

I kid you not - BOYCOTT STEAM FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR FAIR USE RIGHTS!
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Offline mikhael

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Reply #6 on: March 03, 2004, 04:51:16 pm
Well, technically, Steam is a by-subscription game-on-demand service. Its not really the same thign as DRM, but the end results are the same.

One of the goals for Steam was to allow developers to create a game and then sell directly to the consumer and skip the whole publishing phase. If there's one thing people around here on HardLight know, its that publishers area great source of evil in the game industry. From Interplay to Infogrammes, dumb decisions are made by publishers constantly and developers generally get the blame.

The problem, of course, is that Valve forgot the end user in the design for Steam. Sure, its great that your game is always up to date and always has new content without having to install mods or addons, but what if you can't get to the Steam server that has your game? Suddenly, there's this software--that you've paid for--that you cannot run, or play.
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Offline Martinus

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Reply #7 on: March 03, 2004, 06:56:38 pm
[color=66ff00]Ive tried to register 2 half life keys to play Counterstrike 1.6, the first was my own and belonged to a game of the year pack; didn't work.

The second my mate had extra because he bought a spare, also did not work, both were suposedly already registered.

So much for paying for the thing eh? I may as well just have DLed a copy, got a key gen and kept registering until I found one that worked. :blah:

I just play 1.5 now and I'm not shifting.
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Offline Kazan

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Reply #8 on: March 03, 2004, 08:58:41 pm
mikhael: i never associated it with DRM - DRM isn't the only assault on fair use
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Offline mikhael

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Reply #9 on: March 03, 2004, 09:14:39 pm
Nope. That was Liberator. You got your post in before I finished mine.
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Offline kasperl

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Reply #10 on: March 04, 2004, 06:10:39 am
ok, ****.

i just had steam update itself, without asking, and now i can't play anymore, it can't validate the steam ID user ticket. sounds like the good old "Auth server is down" from AA.

bottom line, no HL, CS, Rico, DoD, TFC or any other steam game for anybody for now.
just another newbie without any modding, FREDding or real programming experience

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Offline Kazan

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Reply #11 on: March 04, 2004, 08:59:25 am
kasperl: hence why you don't use steam and you actually get a real copy of the game instead of havinmg them spawn it to your computer and delte it when you're done
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Offline kasperl

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Reply #12 on: March 04, 2004, 10:46:09 am
well, i have a real copy installed as well.

and they don't delete it when i'm done, that's causing me C drive to fill up.

and did i mention it ****ed my Rico install so it gives me an illegal op whenever i run it? and that that error will keep popping up so that i can;t even reboot my machine?
just another newbie without any modding, FREDding or real programming experience

you haven't learned masochism until you've tried to read a Microsoft help file.  -- Goober5000
I've got 2 drug-addict syblings and one alcoholic whore. And I'm a ****ing sociopath --an0n
You cannot defeat Windows through strength alone. Only patience, a lot of good luck, and a sledgehammer will do the job. --StratComm
 

Offline Liberator

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Reply #13 on: March 04, 2004, 10:49:39 am
All this illustrates why not giving the user a choice and forcing them to do stuff is bad, and a stupid move on Valve's part.  Regardless of what futurists and software developers say, most people still prefer Brick & Mortar.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.
 

Offline mikhael

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Reply #14 on: March 04, 2004, 12:36:30 pm
Who would have thought me and Liberator agree on something? ;)
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Offline Liberator

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Reply #15 on: March 04, 2004, 01:50:03 pm
This isn't politics, so it's all good!
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.
 

Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Reply #16 on: March 04, 2004, 02:03:46 pm
Heh. It's finally managed to update, and to work.

And, after all this ****e, Friends is still down.
 

Offline kasperl

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Reply #17 on: March 04, 2004, 02:08:24 pm
ugh, ugh and ugh.

i can't even connect to any Steam server, it says my net conn is down.
just another newbie without any modding, FREDding or real programming experience

you haven't learned masochism until you've tried to read a Microsoft help file.  -- Goober5000
I've got 2 drug-addict syblings and one alcoholic whore. And I'm a ****ing sociopath --an0n
You cannot defeat Windows through strength alone. Only patience, a lot of good luck, and a sledgehammer will do the job. --StratComm
 

Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Reply #18 on: March 04, 2004, 04:59:29 pm
I've just been linked to this.
Sums it up well

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