[diamondgeezer]

What, you think the folks here who practice martial arts reckon they could take on a fellow with a shooter? Jesus Christ, earlier it was us being accused of being delusional.

According to people posting in this thread, folks who practice martial arts:

a) are geeks

b) get beat up all the time

c) think they're Neo

d) think they can beat a guy with a gun

The list goes on. You people who take the piss - how many of you do anything more physical than walking from your chair to the fridge now and again? I'll reiterate my earlier points - my karate class helps me improve my fitness and is a social activity. And I'll add some more points - it improves my balance, flexibility and timing and, hopefully, might even instill a bit of mental discipline in me. And you know what else? It's fun.

So there - that's what the 'deal' is

[Stunaep]

Plus there's the little thing, that the person most obsessed with martial arts on this board is stealth.

And if he considers replying honestly to a thread about martial arts "being obsessed", then he's a moron.

Which ain't spectacularly new, but hey.

[Fineus]

Meh, people collect stamps and get enjoyment out of it. Do whatever makes you happy - **ck what everyone else thinks of you.

[diamondgeezer]

Flamming Razor made me happy, but you lot censored me

[Stryke 9]

DG: I merely asked questions, I was not trying to suggest anything. That's the going perception round about these parts, naturally I'm going to base what I know off of that.

Meh. You judo chop stuff, I hit stuff with a machete. I figure my way's more efficient at... whatever, so I was curious as to whether there's any particular reason people prefer martial arts.


Also, this thread should be about the "marital arts". Discuss.

[Fineus]

Martial arts does provide a certain physical and mental training that firing a gun or using a machette won't provide you with. At least that's the theory. Besides this topic is about martial arts, not "what is your preferred / most effective way of killing a man?"...

[diamondgeezer]

Well yes. My teacher's approach to a street fight is apparently to smack the other fellow a couple of times so he's off balance and winded, then leg it

[Stryke 9]

Who's talking about killing?

You'd be surprised how much coordination it takes to do anything more interesting than just hacking away with a machete, anyway. At least, I was at first. Got an absurd number of scars from being absurdly stupid.

[Fineus]

Thats why my sword and katana are incredibly ornamental. I could hack and stab if I really had to - but there'd be entirely no skill to whatever I did with them.

DG - I like your teachers approach to street fighting. Basically I'm not the violent type, and most of the 'tards around heres approach to fighting is to wheel in and basically through your entire body at your opponenet, take them down and then beat them when they can't fight back. There's no actual art to it at all. Ergo if you don't want to get into a fight you just kick them in the balls, chest and face and then leave the area. It might not be honorable or whatever, but if you don't actually want to fight - why should you play by the rules.

[Grug]

rofl: "Flamming Razor made me happy, but you lot censored me"
lol @ Turnsky

I do TaeKwon Doe... and also got a few tips from a blackbelt ninjitsu dude (or whatever its called )

Hehe, I think I'd probably fit into the Geek catagory, but I've never been in a real fight...

I started TKD back in Highschool round G9 or something. Some friends of mine convinced me to come along.
I will say that martial arts does give a HUGE confidence boost, and half the time thats all you need to avoid a fight...

But this also reminds me of a recent crime down in Sydney I think it was. 3 thugs picked the wrong house to rob that night, cause it happened to belong to a bouncer whos a blackbelt in karate. lol.

So anyway here this guy is having a beer at 2 in the morning lol after knocking off work and he hears a window smash. So he goes into investigate and here is this thug trying to climb through the window. So he runs at him throws a few punches into his face and puts him on the floor outside. Then another guy hits over the back with an iron bar, he drops, then the thug is about to finish him off when he grabs his arm and breaks it. Then a 3rd one comes out of no where and stabs him in the chest. So this time he's on his knees slowly losing conciousness with the guy who stabbed him standing over him.
So what does he do? Not collapse and give up hell no. He grabs the knife out of his chest and thrusts it up into the thugs groin! Then he collapses from bloodloss, and somehow the 3 thugs stumble off.
The funnier thing still is that they havnt found them yet! so Some where there is a guy with a bruised face, a guy with a broken arm, and another with a knife in his groin region. lol.

Oh, and there's also the one about another fellah who grabbed the nearest thing handy, (like Turnsky ) which just so happened to be a Samurai sword. lol, gave the intruder sever cuts and had to be sent to hospital.

lol Now if that was me, I could only hope I'd fight so valiantly rather than me being the only victim of a crime, share it around a bit, especially on the ones who thought they could get away with it...

lmao-Grug

[Stealth]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer

According to people posting in this thread, folks who practice martial arts:

a) are geeks

b) get beat up all the time

wrong, i said most geeks are interested in martial arts.  not the other way round.  also, i said that it's funny how geeks are always talking about martial arts (i've seen it first-hand at school) but they always get their asses whipped.  it's a fact, don't deny it. you've seen it enough on this board.

also, i said it's a fact that most people who've trained in any external martial art are better off without it when they get in a real fight.  i could explain this, but you'll just have to take my word for it

[Havock]

Originally posted by Stealth
although it's a fact, 99.9% of "martial artists" would be better off in a fight without their "skills".  unless you're a dedicated and well-practiced martial artist, you're not going to win every fight you enter

that is because what you learn in "class" are "basics", you need to improvise depending on situation, and the type of ground you are standing on.

and like i said, there is a lot of difference between being in the ring and on the street.
i have seen kickboxers that litterally kick the **** out of anyone inside the ring, lose to just an average fighter on the street, why?
because they can't adapt.
ring -> usually rules of engagement
street -> no rules.

and about those that "criticize" martial arts and talk about getting a life:
not all the martial arts involve jumping around with your arms flailing and making screams like you are getting 10000 volts on your nuts.
what I am doing right now, taijutsu is extremely effecient: take down an opponent as fast as possible, using as little energy as possible.
it also involves some spetsnaz training stuff and such.
I love it, i consider it a hobby, a hobby that may prove useful someday.
other people collect poststamps, play games or hang around in a bar, how much "life points" does that give someone?

[Stealth]

yeah you hit the nail right on the head there, also on the street there's a level of adrenaline, which there's not in sparring, and adrenaline can do wonders.

i don't respect martial arts or martial artists of today.  that's because most martial arts of today are geared at fast results and/or showing off.  i don't believe in that, which is why i quit taekwon do.  anyone that says "I've been practicing shotokan for 4 years" i don't even blink an eye, because chances are he's never gotten in a real fight outside of sparring, and behind those fancy show-off kicks and forms, there's no basis.  the older, NON-AMERICAN taught martial arts i respect, such as all three internal, and a few external, like ninjitsu, etc.

and for the record, i never criticized ALL martial arts or said "Get a life".  it's great that you're interested in martial arts, i just mentioned that i think it's amusing how most geeks are also interested in it.  it's hilarious actually.  i mean i'm here in this category with you. i'm a geek, and i'm interested in martial arts too, so...

[01010]

Originally posted by Kalfireth
Basically I'm not the violent type, and most of the 'tards around heres approach to fighting is to wheel in and basically through your entire body at your opponenet, take them down and then beat them when they can't fight back. There's no actual art to it at all.  

You get in a street fight with a drunken prick and it's not art, it's a messy, ugly situation that a quick pin to the ground and a solid headbutt helps to resolve 99% of the time.

It's only unfair if it's more than 1 on 1 in my opinion.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by 01010


You get in a street fight with a drunken prick and it's not art, it's a messy, ugly situation that a quick pin to the ground and a solid headbutt helps to resolve 99% of the time.

It's only unfair if it's more than 1 on 1 in my opinion.

Actually, if the headbutt is solid enough, you shouldn't need to pin them to the ground atall.... they'll find their own way there.

That said, contrary to stereotype, i can't actually remember ever hiedering someone.  Except accidentally.

[vyper]

[q]That said, contrary to stereotype, i can't actually remember ever hiedering someone. Except accidentally.[/q]

Ye never seen it done either.

Anyway, I'm still trying to get a Krav Maga club set up at Caley but it's snail mail time since the International Federation UK's site e-mail don't work.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by vyper

Ye never seen it done either.
 

Apparently it happened to someone in a 5-a-sides league I was running a few years back at uni.  Got 'is nose broken as a big rammy ensued................

[Havock]

Originally posted by Stealth
yeah you hit the nail right on the head there, also on the street there's a level of adrenaline, which there's not in sparring, and adrenaline can do wonders.

i don't respect martial arts or martial artists of today.  that's because most martial arts of today are geared at fast results and/or showing off.  i don't believe in that, which is why i quit taekwon do.  anyone that says "I've been practicing shotokan for 4 years" i don't even blink an eye, because chances are he's never gotten in a real fight outside of sparring, and behind those fancy show-off kicks and forms, there's no basis.  the older, NON-AMERICAN taught martial arts i respect, such as all three internal, and a few external, like ninjitsu, etc.

and for the record, i never criticized ALL martial arts or said "Get a life".  it's great that you're interested in martial arts, i just mentioned that i think it's amusing how most geeks are also interested in it.  it's hilarious actually.  i mean i'm here in this category with you. i'm a geek, and i'm interested in martial arts too, so...

hehe, everybody is a geek to some degree.

at school most ppl thought "glasses, small posture.... a nerd" when they first got to know me.
Only 2 days after, they knew me as a rather hard-as-nails guy who you don't want to mess with.

...and no, the reason for that did not involve making someone's head bleed on a table in the cantina in front of the whole school.
simply by being the ice-cold person i am.
i am not that bloodthirsty, if I have a fight at school, i prefer to nail their reputation rather than their kneecaps.
Surprising how quiet ppl become after you put em in the trash can.
or the big containers outside, some ppl are just too big for simple trashcans

[TheCelestialOne]

Stealth, if you know how to apply martial arts the correct way it is most definately an advantage. Even in street fights. I know, I've been there. My years training and learning Jiu-Jitsu surely helped me out a lot when I got into a fight and I've been in quite a few (not that I'm proud of it or anything, on the contrary really).

It's just that you have to apply it correctly. If you think martial arts is just kicking and punching in some fancy way, you're way off. Most martial arts will allow you to be in control mentally. Which is a very good thing as you can more easily anticipate what your opponent is going to do. Alse, with this you can also more easily dodge incoming blows. On top of that, this also allows you to focus your blows to deal more damage to your opponent.

Martial arts also enhances your accuracy and allows you to deal more critical blows to the body of your opponent. Unlike the standard punch of the nose I always strike the side of the neck with the side of my hand. Takes most untrained people out in one blow.

Also, martial arts teaches you how to protect your body from incoming blows. Unlike your typical 'boxing-defence' with two arms up, which only protects the upper body and only to a certain degree as it is a static defence and not a variable/versatile defence, you learn how to protect your entire body.

These are just a few points on how martial arts is a benefit in any fight that doesn't include a gun or long range weapon. I could write up a lot more about this but its late. If you want me to explain more if you have questions, just ask.

So, Stealth, I take it you never practiced or even remotely studied martial arts and how to apply it effectively? If you ever do, then you can judge it, otherwise just don't.

[Havock]

i barely ever even take a real fighting stance, i usually stand with one side to the enemy, hands slightly into fighting position, that way, they have no idea of your combat capabilities:
as soon as you go standing "wooohaaaaaaa *swing arms around*, they know you can prove dodgy.
the way i sand, you keep yourself "hidden".