[Sandwich]

Originally posted by redmenace

Source http://de.essortment.com/christmaspagan_rece.htm
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No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on [it is guessed to be April 17 by scholars]. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter....

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Although I'd never heard of that April 17th thing, the September-era date I have heard of as the most likely period for Jesus' birth. That would put it right around the feast of Succot (Tabernacles). But think a bit further into the matter... what's the miraculous event here? His birth? Nothing really miraculous about that, nope. How about His conception in a virgin? Calculate 9 months back from a September birth date, and you could very well have the miracle of His conception occuring right on December 25th.

[Nico]

Originally posted by redmenace
The declaration of "chistmas" as in name only was a christian holiday. The day of DEC 25 was a long standing pagan holiday. All of the tradition came from pagan religions. So it is christian in name only. But in reality a culmination of other religous practices brought together as a tool of assymulation.

And you know, only english speaking countries call it Christmas, right? In french it's Noël for exemple, a name that has no christian meaning whatsoever.

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Nico
And you know, only english speaking countries call it Christmas, right? In french it's Noël for exemple, a name that has no christian meaning whatsoever.

Gee, maybe because Christmas is an English word? Dingbat.

And let's see what the dictionary has to say about Noel--

"[Middle English noel, from Old French, variant of nael, from Latin natalis (dies), (day) of birth, from natus, past participle of nasc, to be born. See gen- in Indo-European Roots.]"

Yes, "day of birth". No Christian religious connotations there!

[Nico]

Well no, since it was about about the winter's solstice, the rebirth of sun. Oups, my bad

And what's english in christmas? christ, it's the same for everybody, and mas, her... what does that mean? I know it's not my native language, so care to tell me?
And anyway, as I actually don't give a damn about that, does anyone have a non streaming link to a trailer of that Narnia thing? The WETA thing was cool enough to make me want to know more.

[Goober5000]

Christmas is a shortened form of Christ's Mass (as in a Catholic Mass).