[mikhael]

Indeed, WRT Judas. And what a paltry forty pieces of silver!

However, I think in the Magician's Nephew, the Queen is described as terrible and cold and beautiful. I don't have a copy here, so I can't look it up, though.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by mikhael
Tash is surely intended to represent a Satan figure, rather than Allah.

I don't want to start discussing this (again), but just a note that the fundamental basis of Christianity holds that Allah is either Satan or a demonic figure. Lewis undoubtably either held that view or was aware of it.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Sandwich


I don't want to start discussing this (again), but just a note that the fundamental basis of Christianity holds that Allah is either Satan or a demonic figure. Lewis undoubtably either held that view or was aware of it.

Some, maybe. Just for the heck of it, let's go look at the official website of the Vatican.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/speeches/1969/august/documents/hf_p-vi_spe_19690801_comunita-islamiche_en.html
A letter from the Pope to the "Dignitaries and Representatives of Islam", including such phrases as "unite Christians and Moslems ever more closely, in true brotherhood" and "We feel sure that, as Representatives of Islam, you join in Our prayer to the Almighty, that He grant all African believers that desire for pardon and reconciliation so often commended in the Gospels and in the Koran".

Seems to me the Pope thinks that Allah and Yahweh are the same person. And he's the representative of one of the largest sects of Christianity, with about one billion members.

[mikhael]

Anyone who holds Allah as seperate from the Christian God is about as clued in on their judeo-christian theology as anyone who thinks that Jews and Christians worship different Gods.

Of course, I know people who think that Catholics aren't Christians, so what do I know?

[neo_hermes]

lalalala...narnia...lalalala...here they come...lalalala my brains gone...

[Lonestar]

Money can by talent and disney has tons of money, i think they could do a good version but its doubtful.

[redmenace]

I happen to love Clyde Staples Lewis . ANd I love the narnia series. HOWEVER DISNEY WILL BUTCHER IT.

on a side note:
I always loved the movie Shadowlands which is about how he marries and then loses his wife to cancer. Seeing anthony Hopkins in that role was amazing. He was gushing tears in the end and all through the movie. so was I. OK so I am a pussy.

[Ace]

Originally posted by mikhael
Of course, I know people who think that Catholics aren't Christians, so what do I know?

...and remember, Christmas is not a Christian holiday! It's an evil pagan holiday adopted by the distant from God un-Christian Catholics!

GOD BLESS WAL-MART and MERKIA!

(Note: The above Calvinist views are not held by the poster, but are held by six million Americans)

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Some, maybe. Just for the heck of it, let's go look at the official website of the Vatican.

....


Seems to me the Pope thinks that Allah and Yahweh are the same person. And he's the representative of one of the largest sects of Christianity, with about one billion members.

No offense to any Catholics out there, but to the majority of mainstream Christianity, the Pope is full of BS. Catholicism has departed from the Bible in so many ways it's not so much a Christian sect as it is an idol-worshipping cult. Worship Mary (or Miriam, the real name of the Jewish teenager who was Jesus' mother)? What in the Bible indicates that we should worship God... and Mary, hmm? That's like saying we should worship the Jewish people because they were used by God to bring forth Jesus. Please.

Plus the very act of the Pope making such an all-encompassing, "let's bring all religions together!" statement is not just un-Biblical, it's anti-Biblical.

Like I've told my army buddies, I hold the same respect for the Pope, and he holds the same authority over me, as would an uppity-up Orthodox Rabbi to a secular Jew. I respect his position of authority over so many, but that's about it.

Originally posted by mikhael
Anyone who holds Allah as seperate from the Christian God is about as clued in on their judeo-christian theology as anyone who thinks that Jews and Christians worship different Gods.

Of course, I know people who think that Catholics aren't Christians, so what do I know?

Let's talk about this on ICQ or something, eh? I think the vB's Religion-O-Meter is about to explode from all the abuse.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Ace


...and remember, Christmas is not a Christian holiday! It's an evil pagan holiday adopted by the distant from God un-Christian Catholics!

Well that's true, you know, but when it's convenient, people prefer to forget things like that. Hey, yeah, all the christians are celebrating a pagan holiday once a year, and, oh, irony, it's probably everyone's favourite.
I wonder how god feels having all his peons celebrating the Sun

"I laught at thee"

[Ace]

Originally posted by Nico


Well that's true, you know, but when it's convenient, people prefer to forget things like that. Hey, yeah, all the christians are celebrating a pagan holiday once a year, and, oh, irony, it's probably everyone's favourite.
I wonder how god feels having all his peons celebrating the Sun

"I laught at thee"

Yes, I know it's true. But I still laugh at the people who are anti-Christmas because they're: "TRUE CHRISTIANS!!!! JESUS, (insert your country here) APPLE PIE, AND THE STOCK MARKET!!!111oneoneone"

Am I the only one who doesn't understand the whole materialism "God wants to bless you in this world" thing?

Anyway back on topic:

If the plan on doing all of the books, and the movies are OK, I can't wait until Voyage of the Dawn Trader and the Magician's Nephew are done.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by redmenace
I happen to love Clyde Staples Lewis . ANd I love the narnia series.

Bonus points for getting his kick-arse middle name, but his first name is Clive.

And indeed, Voyage of the Dawn Treader will make TEH BEST MOVIE. I'll definitely be seeing that one.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Sandwich


No offense to any Catholics out there, but to the majority of mainstream Christianity, the Pope is full of BS. Catholicism has departed from the Bible in so many ways it's not so much a Christian sect as it is an idol-worshipping cult. Worship Mary (or Miriam, the real name of the Jewish teenager who was Jesus' mother)? What in the Bible indicates that we should worship God... and Mary, hmm? That's like saying we should worship the Jewish people because they were used by God to bring forth Jesus. Please.

Um... Catholocism is mainstream Christianity. Its the single largest Christian sect. Pentacostals might get the nod for OLDEST established sect, but they're not exactly 'mainstream' either. If you confuse honoring Mary with worshiping Mary, it might be time to go back to catechism and learn the difference. Saints are not worshipped; they are honored. They're like uber-priests that are dead.

Be careful, please, with the dismissive tone, btw. You're heading in the same direction as people like Liberator and Trashman. I'd hate to see that.

Plus the very act of the Pope making such an all-encompassing, "let's bring all religions together!" statement is not just un-Biblical, it's anti-Biblical.

Chapter and verse, please?

[diamondgeezer]

DANGER! DANGER! ON-TOPIC POST:

The Magician's Nephew does indeed harp on about how beautiful Jadis is... and also how she beats up coppers with an iron bar and wipes out entire cities with a word.

Thing is, in TMN, can you imagine the whole Wood between the Worlds dealy? You could spend your whole life exploring all those worlds - imagine exploring places like Charn. The concept is absolutely mind blowing, and knocks the stargate network in to a cocked hat

[mikhael]

The Wood Between Worlds is the single concept that made me read all the rest of the Narnia books.

Thanks for reminding me of "Jadis"--and the iron bar. To be accurate though, its the cross bar from a lamp post. It can't be just ANY iron bar, for obvious reasons.

[redmenace]

Originally posted by Setekh


Bonus points for getting his kick-arse middle name, but his first name is Clive.

And indeed, Voyage of the Dawn Treader will make TEH BEST MOVIE. I'll definitely be seeing that one.

His prefered name is Jack also.

[Ashrak]

ROFLAMO

[diamondgeezer]

'Shrek' director to helm LW&W

Ph34r

[aldo_14]

There's hope, then.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by mikhael

Um... Catholocism is mainstream Christianity. Its the single largest Christian sect. Pentacostals might get the nod for OLDEST established sect, but they're not exactly 'mainstream' either. If you confuse honoring Mary with worshiping Mary, it might be time to go back to catechism and learn the difference. Saints are not worshipped; they are honored. They're like uber-priests that are dead.

Be careful, please, with the dismissive tone, btw. You're heading in the same direction as people like Liberator and Trashman. I'd hate to see that.

I used "mainstream" rather than "fundamental", since the latter has -  in opposition to its true meaning - come to mean something negative. But if you think about it, when you stick to the fundamentals of something, you're not going off into all sorts of different tangents. In Christianity's case, the fundamental basis is the complete Bible - Tanach and New Covenant.

Departure from what is written in the (unchanging) Bible is a departure from the fundamental basis of a Christian's faith. No matter who a person is or how much authority he/she may have, if they say something that is diametrically opposed to the Bible, they are in error. The Bible is Christianity's "control subject", if you will.

When one has idols / statues of a figure all over the place to the extent that the Catholics do with Mary, it's safe to assume that that figure is being worshipped.

Originally posted by mikhael
Chapter and verse, please?

Certainly.

Exodus 20:3:
[q]"You shall have no other gods before Me."[/q]

John 14:6:
[q]Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."[/q]