[QuantumDelta]

For you programmers to work from as a basis.

A slightly more encompassing survey than the Graphics card thread said this;

http://steampowered.com/status/survey.html

edit;
side note;

NVidia GeForce4 MX Series 81,038 15.09 %  
NVidia GeForce4 Series 78,996 14.71 %  
NVidia GeForce2 MX Series 54,119 10.08 %  
NVidia GeForce FX 5200 Series 37,520 6.99 %  
ATI Radeon 9600 Series 34,380 6.40 %  
ATI Radeon 9800 Series 28,835 5.37 %  
ATI Radeon 9500/9700 Series 24,444 4.55 %  


Gee Who got pwned.

[Bobboau]

the better card, so, I refuse to tend to the lowest common denominator, if someone wants to come in behind me and make small touchups fine. but I own a Radeon, and I'm takeing advantage of it.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Amen brother!

Radeon is better! 9600 XT runs my **** any day!

[Rga_Noris]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Amen brother!

Radeon is better! 9600 XT runs my **** any day!

That's interesting. I've always wanted to know what **** looks like when it runs.

Anyway, keep in mind that of people have Nvidia cards due to the deals they make with Dell, Gateway, etc. and the fact that their motherboard line-up comes with (obviously) an Nvidia based chipset. However, for purposes needed, that poll suits just fine.

--Rga

[Liberator]

All I know is I have never had any problems with my Nvidia, whilst the ATI in my dads notebook sux0rs. By any I mean none.  By none I mean zero.  By zero I mean...umm...nada?

[Rga_Noris]

Oi. I've got an ATI, and it rocks, BUT:

The poll he posted is very useful. In fact I'd say its even more useful than starting another Nvidia vs. ATI thread, believe it or not.

So, I'll go ahead post the bottom lines for both sides (ATI and Nvidia) so it can now exit this thread:

ATIers: I have an ATI. If you have a problem with my descision on getting one, well, I honestly dont give a damn.

Nvidia-ers: I have an NVidia. If you have a problem with my descision on getting one, well, I honestly dont give a damn.

--Rga

[SadisticSid]

If the coders were paid for their work this might be an issue, but this isn't true and they don't have to cater for any market. AFAIK to make the higher end features run with GeForce cards, you'd need special-case optimisation code and I don't see why the coders should be obliged to waste a great deal of their time with such a thing.

[Nico]

besides, I can find a dozen benchmarks that'll give opposite results
benchmarks are biaised, always.

[QuantumDelta]

Originally posted by Nico
besides, I can find a dozen benchmarks that'll give opposite results
benchmarks are biaised, always.

True.
But....this wasn't about which card was better -_-

[J3Vr6]

Yeah, I don't know which survey you were looking at, Nico, but that was just a poll on the percentage of cards out there are what.

[Nuke]

i mor see it as a target for fs2open, to support the most common hardware currently availible. its amazing how spending a couple hundred bucks on a video card is enough to make one biased twards that particular manufacturer. noone wants to admit that their "state of the art hardware" is second rate. back when i got my top of the line voodoo 3 (and at the time it was state of the art) i swore id never buy a nvidia product. now im running a geforce 4 mx420. ive also used ati chipsets and frankly i cant really tell the difference. non biased opinions about video cards are rare. the nforce chipset is a good thing though, id much rather have a mobo chipset from a company that knows games than one that ive never heard of before.

[Drew]

Originally posted by QuantumDelta
NVidia GeForce4 MX Series 81,038 15.09 %  

these are crammed into nearly every off the shelf PC on the planet. Ull find them in brand new dimensions, presarios, gateways (all which suck mind u)

unfortunatly, this is what most ppl are stuck with when dont build their PC. Considering that most ppl buy there comps off the shelf.
Im guessing that most of the ppl using them A) know there hardware sucks but dont have enuf money to get it better B) are clueless and think the GF4MX is the pwnege card on the planet.

[J3Vr6]

But does the latest ATI's support 4x AGP or are they all 8x?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Nuke
i mor see it as a target for fs2open, to support the most common hardware currently availible. its amazing how spending a couple hundred bucks on a video card is enough to make one biased twards that particular manufacturer. noone wants to admit that their "state of the art hardware" is second rate. back when i got my top of the line voodoo 3 (and at the time it was state of the art) i swore id never buy a nvidia product. now im running a geforce 4 mx420. ive also used ati chipsets and frankly i cant really tell the difference. non biased opinions about video cards are rare. the nforce chipset is a good thing though, id much rather have a mobo chipset from a company that knows games than one that ive never heard of before.

?  I regret buying my card............anyways, IMO FS2_open should be basing it's hardware requirements on something equivalent to the 'final' product IMO

[Nico]

Originally posted by J3Vr6
Yeah, I don't know which survey you were looking at, Nico, but that was just a poll on the percentage of cards out there are what.

I, erm... misread

[J3Vr6]

Originally posted by aldo_14


?  I regret buying my card............anyways, IMO FS2_open should be basing it's hardware requirements on something equivalent to the 'final' product IMO

But since there will be no "final" product, how can one gauge what that is?

[Bobboau]

you know what looking into that poll

NVidia GeForce FX 5200 Series is the only one of the front runner NVidia cards that is what you could call modern , it's the only one equivelent to the 9800 and 9600 wich combind together have nearly twice the market as the GeForce. all that poll shows realy is what was popular, and I thing the results hint at NVidia's soon to be down fall

[QuantumDelta]

Originally posted by Nuke
i mor see it as a target for fs2open, to support the most common hardware currently availible. its amazing how spending a couple hundred bucks on a video card is enough to make one biased twards that particular manufacturer. noone wants to admit that their "state of the art hardware" is second rate. back when i got my top of the line voodoo 3 (and at the time it was state of the art) i swore id never buy a nvidia product. now im running a geforce 4 mx420. ive also used ati chipsets and frankly i cant really tell the difference. non biased opinions about video cards are rare. the nforce chipset is a good thing though, id much rather have a mobo chipset from a company that knows games than one that ive never heard of before.

Now that's, much, more Developer like thinking.

To write tailoring for just one card is selfish/immature/biased.
It kills the market SCP might appeal to, and it narrows any chance of bringing an FS2 back to life.

"Look at this, the greatest game in the world, it's available free too, and the fan community has massively updated and modified it to make it even better!"
"Cool!" *Gets it*
"Hey... I get **** FPS... it looks ****... it generally IS ****..."
"You got a Nvidia card? heh **** you."

....................Yea ok, so instantly over 46% of computer users wont be able to have a decent FS2 SCP Experience because of a little bias/ignorance.

Again, like I said, the thread wasn't really about which card was better, it was about the failure I see brewing.
Since I know another potentially massively successful game, that completely failed, because all it supported was NV Cards and ATI Cards Crashed all the time on it, simply because the lead Dev didn't cater for the ATI Cards (This was only first after 30months retail ¬.¬), don't want the mistake repeated here with NV Cards either.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by J3Vr6



But since there will be no "final" product, how can one gauge what that is?

rough equivalence to the next version number (in terms of features)....

Originally posted by Bobboau
you know what looking into that poll

NVidia GeForce FX 5200 Series is the only one of the front runner NVidia cards that is what you could call modern , it's the only one equivelent to the 9800 and 9600 wich combind together have nearly twice the market as the GeForce. all that poll shows realy is what was popular, and I thing the results hint at NVidia's soon to be down fall

Bear in mind this was a pool conducted over, IIRC, Steam.  So it's going to be skewed - partly by the bundling of Half Life 2 with Ati cards, and partly by the furore itself.  If you did a similar pool amongst, say, UT2k3 players, it'd probably be skewed more the other way, etc.

[Bobboau]

QuantumDelta, I guess I just won't be makeing any profit then.

you know I don't give a damn, I make it becase its fun, and I try to get it running best for me, sorry