[karajorma]

The Americans held them for 2 years! One of them was "captured" by the Americans inside prison cell where he was being held for being a british spy!

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Now I don't think that Britain can claim any moral superiority for this since we are still holding suspects without trial too but you do have to wonder why the Americans heald them for so long.

[mikhael]

We held them for so long because our current administration considers the Constitution of the United States to be a sort of quick reference guide, not an actual instrument of governance.

[diamondgeezer]

They're supposed to have been caught fighting British and American forces. If this is proven true I will personally bum rape them with a large vegetable of some sort. Don't care what they thought they were fighting for - you live under British citizenship, you don't fight against this country for a foreign power

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
They're supposed to have been caught fighting British and American forces. If this is proven true I will personally bum rape them with a large vegetable of some sort. Don't care what they thought they were fighting for - you live under British citizenship, you don't fight against this country for a foreign power

Actually, I don't think they were.... because the 4 that are still being held were said to have been found 'in the combat zone', implying these ones weren't.

Not that it matters - they effectively can't be prosecuted on anything they said in Guantanamo, because it would be against British law (no lawyer present, for one thing).

It's just a monumnetal **** up.  Even if anything useful was learnt from them, it can't be used because of the conditions they were held in.

[Rictor]

So, prisoners get transfered to Britain and two full day later; free to go.

Makes you wonder about the other 700+ prisoners. How many of those are completely innocent? My guess would be: most.

I mean, just look at Canada's Arar case. He did nothing, absolutely nothing wrong, and yet US agents were, in their minds, able to build a sufficient case against him to warrant deportation.

I am deeply, deeply mistrustful of ANY system which is not open to public scrutiny. Cause then, you just have to take the nice man's word for it. And when that man is time and again proven to be a liar...well you still have to take his word 'cause you've got no other choice. God Bless America.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
They're supposed to have been caught fighting British and American forces. If this is proven true I will personally bum rape them with a large vegetable of some sort. Don't care what they thought they were fighting for - you live under British citizenship, you don't fight against this country for a foreign power

I 100% agree with the sentiments DG. However at least one of these guys wasn't fighting anyone. He may have been incredibly stupid (Going into Afghanistan soon after 9/11 probably ranks as one of the most stupid decsions ever made) but it doesn't appear like he was a fighting for the taliban. In fact as I said before it seems as if he was in prision

[ionia23]

I have zero sympathy.  To quote FS2, "When you sign up for the wrong team, you get what you deserve."

[Gank]

They werent on the wrong team. Helps if you read whats been posted before you, dont look so stupid then.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by ionia23
I have zero sympathy.  To quote FS2, "When you sign up for the wrong team, you get what you deserve."

I felt like that until I learnt that they weren't on the wrong team as Gank says.

The bigger point though is that even if these people were guilty they should have been charged and put on trial. If not for their sakes, due to the fact that detention without trial and the kind of crap that went on in camp X-ray is an insult to Amerca and Britains reputations as free democratic nations.  
 
How can anyone claim to live in the land of the free when something like that could happen?

[Rictor]

Wow, such moral certainty. I wish I had that, really I do.

Its must be wonderful to live life like that. No more pointless logic, reason, discussion or any of those other silly concepts. In the post 9/11 world, they're outdated, haven't you heard? You simply declare your team to be THE team, and everypone ese can kindly go to hell.

Why do they deserve death? Cause they're wrong. How do you know they're wrong? Well, they don't agree with you, do they. Lovely.

[Fineus]

I give the human race 10 years. 20 at the most.

That is all.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Rictor
Wow, such moral certainty. I wish I had that, really I do.

Its must be wonderful to live life like that. No more pointless logic, reason, discussion or any of those other silly concepts. In the post 9/11 world, they're outdated, haven't you heard? You simply declare your team to be THE team, and everypone ese can kindly go to hell.

Why do they deserve death? Cause they're wrong. How do you know they're wrong? Well, they don't agree with you, do they. Lovely.

Well, actually, yes.

"You cannot reason with a terrorist.  All you can do is cut his head off." - James Woods

It is that cut and dry.

[magatsu1]

not to mention "due process" ofcourse

[ionia23]

the 9/11 victims didn't get due process.  tit for tat.

[Gank]

So what, you just keep killing each other till theres none of you left? Great.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by ionia23


Well, actually, yes.

"You cannot reason with a terrorist.  All you can do is cut his head off." - James Woods

It is that cut and dry.

You can't reason with a terrorist. You also can't reason with people like you, cause you're just as set in your narrowmindedness as they.

When you start down the "don't try to understand them, just kill em all" road...well you might not like where you end up. What you are advocating, more or less, is might makes right. Which will suit you just fine, until you are no longer on the "right" side. And then, then you'll be wishing there was more people who tried to understand the problem instead of simply throwing bullets at it.

I was inclined to start yelling, but there's really no reason. Before long, Stryke or anon or someone will show up, and they'll be more than happy to oblige.

[Blaise Russel]

Originally posted by ionia23
the 9/11 victims didn't get due process.  tit for tat.

Nietzsche.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Gank
So what, you just keep killing each other till theres none of you left? Great.

Well, that's one possible solution I suppose.  

The hard reality is there is no solution, there's only what is done.  The two sides in this matter will never, EVER be able to co-exist peacefully.  Sooner or later there will be a decisive conflict to end it one way or another.

So, basically, people can yell all they want about how horrid Americans (or American policy) or our "allies" are regarding the handling on 9/11 and beyond.  That's fine.  You go right ahead with that.  We didn't ask to be in this situation, and simply lying down and "taking it" is out of the question.

I wonder what people in the world would have thought of us if there had been no response whatsoever to 9/11....

[neo_hermes]

didn't the victims of 9/11 get money. If they did they should be ****ing happy!!! if i where president they wouldn't have gotten ****! You heard me. :stare:

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by Gank
So what, you just keep killing each other till there's none of you left? Great.

I assume that's what'll happen in the Middle-East