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Offline aldo_14

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Well, there's two parts to it really. One is the intent. The other is result. Now, obviously, the results are the same (well, worse).

The intent, which is what I think you were reffering to, is a much smaller part of the guilt equation. Even so, its iffy. I mean, you can think that the Army went to great pains to avoid civilian casualties, in which case they're off the hook for the intent. Or you can think that they just didn't care, in which case they're guilty but not as much as if they had intentionally harmed civilians. And thats the third one, in which case they're identical to the terrorists.

Frankly, I don't know the intent. I can make some educated guesses based to the actions of soldiers during the occupation, but thats it.

What I think most people have, and I'm not laying any blame, is that in their minds, you've got two categories. One is the Army (any Western army) and the other is terrorists and dictators. The Army is professional, loyal, compassionate and so forth. The terrorists are ther opposite of that, savage, brutal, crazed, fanatical. You've got them firmly established as such and its very unlikely that you're going to attribute the characteristics of one to the other. Its takes alot of effort to say that terrorists are "heros" and that soldiers are "fanatics"., even if there is ample evidence to suggest that. Its just rooted in your mind that way. And you know, thats pretty human. Its not a stereotype that you should consciously cling to, but its acceptable cause its only human nature to think that way.


Well, there's an induilt human instinct not to kill... even in soldiers.  I think a study found that very few soliders in the Iraq war - and also WW2 before that - actually shot to kill.  There's also evidence from the Napoleonic wars and American civil wars, etc, to support this.  It's slightly different when it comes to bombing, of course (the 'not kill' response is largely due to the eyes and facial expresions seen, apparently).

But to deliberately deviate from that genetic 'programming' (i.e. as psychopaths does) and actually intentionally aim to kill people - is something that's very... wrong (and scary).

I mean, i'm not saying there aren't soldiers who are nutcases (there are....they're often the best soldiers or simply the best at killing), just that the vast majority would not intentionally set out to kill as many civillians as possible.  Whereas terrorists do just th

 

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The reason people don't shoot to kill is because most soldiers are too poorly trained to hit a human-sized target from 100 yards.

This was especially the case in WW1 and WW2.

As for the 'genetics' thing for not killing, that's a load of ****.
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Offline aldo_14

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The reason people don't shoot to kill is because most soldiers are too poorly trained to hit a human-sized target from 100 yards.

This was especially the case in WW1 and WW2.

As for the 'genetics' thing for not killing, that's a load of ****.


http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/science/society/killing.html
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Offline an0n

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****ing bunch of pussies.

And I maintain my views on the genetics aspect.

Also, you've got to consider that the percentage is probably disproportionate thanks to the fact that better marksmen would also have become bigger targets and thus not survived to take part in any surveys on their willingness to kill.
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Offline diamondgeezer

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Eh? you mean better marksmen would have had big signs over them saying 'kill me first'?

 

Offline Stryke 9

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You'd be surprised how well those signs stabilize your aim.

 

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Think of it this way, who's more likely to get killed: The guy whose gunshots just happen to coincide with your friends heads exploding, or the guy who's run off like a whiney little pussy and is pretending to have a gun-jam?

Yes, better marksmen would have more kills, but they'd also be a bigger target (especially considering more capable soldiers got more dangerous missions).
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Offline diamondgeezer

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Well sticking with the WWI/II examples, that's not a fair point. When you're running out of your trench or up the beach of a Pacific island, you're not picking and chosing your targets. Your basic infantryman isn't in a position to spot the better marksmen among the enemy, assuming he can even see the enemy clearly.

Special forces misisons are a different matter, of course, but that's not what the study linked to earlier covers

 

Offline Bobboau

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when you have 40,000 shots going off at the same time how are you going to link wich shot can from wich person, as your frends heads are explodeing left and right?
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The kill count on your HUD. :rolleyes:
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Offline Bobboau

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that'll only tell you how many you've killed...
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Offline phreak

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i think he's talking about something like death message display.  ie:

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Offline Stryke 9

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Man, I need a HUD.

 

Offline diamondgeezer

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The trick is, when playing Laser Quest, to register yourself as 'your mother'. Thus when you zap a bad guy his read-out will say 'you were killed by your mother'. Hilarity ensues

 

Offline Knight Templar

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Or "A Big Penis."
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which is odd since the laser tag place near me won't let players use the name "Hunter".  lame ass soccer moms ****ed this country
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Countodown for some retard to come shout "SPAIN SURRENDER TO TERRISTS COMMUNISTS RULE THE EARTH USA USA USA #1" in 5... 4... 3...
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2....1......

Naaaaaaaaaa.. I'll wait for the Sun tomorrow morning ;)