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Yeah, that was pretty ****ing impressive.
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Imagine if there was a terrorist attack when they were marching, that would have been pretty sad.  Anyways, I'm glad for what they did, and I also support the US in their stopping terrorism.
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Impressive indeed.
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It is impressive, but I doubt the terrorist assholes will get the message and stop being terrorist asshole.
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It did work last time when ETA were responsible. I doubt it would work against terrorists from a foreign country though.
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It's good to see the people march, but thank god the terrorists didn't bomb them again during this. That would have COMPLETELY sucked (to put it mildly).
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Offline Janos

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Borrowed from http://forums.somethingawful.com:

Post-Iraq
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LONDON : Tens of thousands of people are expected to take to Spain's city streets on Friday in a show of solidarity following Thursday's terror attacks.
The demonstration was called by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar.


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Having confronted some of the biggest antiwar demonstrations seen anywhere in the world in recent months, the Spanish government of Prime Minister José Maria Aznar is planning to introduce legislation allowing for the severe punishment of those taking part in such protests. Earlier this month, the Spanish Defence Ministry confirmed a report on plans for new repressive laws that were first revealed by the Madrid daily newspaper El País.
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Hmmm.
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I don't know how the Madrid bombing will affect it, but on March 20th there is supposed to be international demonstrations against the war in Iraq (March 20th being the one year anniversary).

Its a shame that the Spanish people got hit. As I remember, they were over 90% against the war, so this really isn't their fight.

edit: An estimated twelve million people took part across Spain.

« Last Edit: March 13, 2004, 09:58:55 am by 644 »

 

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You're assuming it was Al Qaeda and not ETA.
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Offline Rictor

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I am. That, or it was a set up to gain the support of the Spanish people for America and Israel's escapades. And I am not at all discounting that possibility.

The general elections are scheduled in I think 2 days, and this seems likely to push a large amount of people to Aznar's side (pro war).
« Last Edit: March 13, 2004, 11:31:18 am by 644 »

 

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Yessssssssssssss!!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/spain_bombings_arrests

Let's hope they get all of the cowardly bastards :)

 

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yay, terrorism shot itself in the foot again. Instead of freakin the ppl out, we get 2mill to march together.

ofc, it would be alot happier if spain just killed all of those ETA tards...

Rictor, its a slim chance al qaeda was responsible.... its ranks have been decimated ever scince 9-11.... somthing like %80-%90
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Er, not sure about that. It would be almost impossible to wipe out an organisation like al-Qaeda. It has lots of separate cells all over the world, and the central command structure is probably still there.

ETA, however, is thought to have less than 200 members active, so the chances they could pull off an attack of this scale is minimal (so I've read). And it's really not their style of attack - they tend to do precision hits on politicians and stuff.

Either way, I'd go along with David Blunkett's opinion - the perpetrators of attacks like this don't deserve to be classified as human...
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I'm not going to get into the same old discussion here, but how is this attack any worse than the 10,000 dead in Iraq? If you don't think these guys should be classified as human, what do you think of Bush?

And for pretty much the same reasons listed, I do not believe it was ETA.

 

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I think we actually did **** up the top-tier command chain in al Qaeda pretty bad. But then, that's almost certainly not worth much, 'cos the lower tiers would actually be the functional leaders, orchestrating everything but the really huge things. I mean, it's really unlikely bin Laden personally masterminds every bomb that gets placed, or even necessarily knows anything specific about a given local division at all. Guerilla organizations don't work that way, it'd defeat the whole purpose of the cell system. He's a figurehead and a financier, basically, and most of the guys we caught were technicians and the like. The beauty of a system like al Qaeda is that every part is inherently replaceable, and that you could destroy 90% of the system without crippling the last 10% substantially, rendering the organization functionally immortal unto the point when it serves no more purpose (the cause is either finally won or finally lost), and probably a little while after that. At this point, the US has probably eliminated more around 5%- at best- and they've probably replaced what was lost by now and then some.

The downside of this, of course, is that organization is crap. I mean, if you look at it, the 9/11 guys pretty obviously went in with no planning and no caution whatsoever, and the whole thing could have been drawn up in about fifteen minutes by somebody who didn't even particularly know what they were doing. Anything that involves more than a couple of cells working in close coordination is simply out of the question. For this reason, really advanced attacks and nukings and all that stuff... just aren't gonna happen. For an organization that's based mostly on survival and sniping occasionally when it can get the chance, that's an acceptable payoff. But it means that really massive terror attacks are going to be a rarity, and they're certainly not going to be part of any greater plan.
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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Rictor
I'm not going to get into the same old discussion here, but how is this attack any worse than the 10,000 dead in Iraq? If you don't think these guys should be classified as human, what do you think of Bush?

And for pretty much the same reasons listed, I do not believe it was ETA.


Well - and not that I'm supporting the war or anything - to be fair, they didn't exactly aim or intend to kill civillians.  Terrorists do.

 I think that is a valid distinction to make.

NB: 5 have been arrested - 3 Morroccans and 2 Indians.  2 Spaniards of Indian origin are also apparently in questioning.

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I think we actually did **** up the top-tier command chain in al Qaeda pretty bad. *snip*  At this point, the US has probably eliminated more around 5%- at best- and they've probably replaced what was lost by now and then some.


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al-Queda is a perfect military tool - no matter what you do to the upper echelons the ground commanders and troops have clearly defined goals, enemies and strategy.
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Originally posted by aldo_14


Well - and not that I'm supporting the war or anything - to be fair, they didn't exactly aim or intend to kill civillians.  Terrorists do.

 I think that is a valid distinction to make.


Well, there's two parts to it really. One is the intent. The other is result. Now, obviously, the results are the same (well, worse).

The intent, which is what I think you were reffering to, is a much smaller part of the guilt equation. Even so, its iffy. I mean, you can think that the Army went to great pains to avoid civilian casualties, in which case they're off the hook for the intent. Or you can think that they just didn't care, in which case they're guilty but not as much as if they had intentionally harmed civilians. And thats the third one, in which case they're identical to the terrorists.

Frankly, I don't know the intent. I can make some educated guesses based to the actions of soldiers during the occupation, but thats it.

What I think most people have, and I'm not laying any blame, is that in their minds, you've got two categories. One is the Army (any Western army) and the other is terrorists and dictators. The Army is professional, loyal, compassionate and so forth. The terrorists are ther opposite of that, savage, brutal, crazed, fanatical. You've got them firmly established as such and its very unlikely that you're going to attribute the characteristics of one to the other. Its takes alot of effort to say that terrorists are "heros" and that soldiers are "fanatics"., even if there is ample evidence to suggest that. Its just rooted in your mind that way. And you know, thats pretty human. Its not a stereotype that you should consciously cling to, but its acceptable cause its only human nature to think that way.

 

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Vyper: "Blow **** up" isn't a clearly defined strategy. Give centralized control of all of al Qaeda's operations to one person or group, give the extent of leadership an American general has over his troops to one officer over all those sleeper groups, bombmakers, local cells and information runners... and the "war on terror" would be over in a week. It would not be a victory for the US. It's not like it'd be that hard to take out the White House, or the Capitol building, or any of a hundred other juicy targets, it'd just involve a good bit of planning and a lot of expendables.

However, were al Qaeda to have initially grown that way, it would not have made it this far- the damages inflicted to the command chain would have been fatal long ago. And it's too late to change now.