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http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html

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Offline Stryke 9

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Such old news it isn't even funny.

 

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It will probably never happen, the Cable Industry is a strong lobby in Washington.  Besides, they can already get access to suspicious E-Mail and web-sites the same as everybody else.

That's the whole purpose of that legislation, to lock down the free speech that the Internet represents.  If somebody on some obscure website that gets forty hits a week says something suspicious they would be scrutinized heavily, when such speech is protected.

I urge all American citizens to contact their congressmen and senators and explain what this bill would actually do.
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Yes, we SHOULD contact our Congressmen and let them know exactly what this bill would actually do.
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  • Require ISPs and telecommunications providers to provide BACK DOORS into their systems to allow the FBI to read your email, IMs, web browser requests, etc untraceably
  • Require ISPs that provide VoIP to allow the FBI to redirect your VoIP traffic where they wish in order to record, monitor, or other wise interfere with it
  • Require IM network providers (like AOL, Microsoft, yahoo, etc) to build backdoors into the encryption they provide, so the FBI can crack anything you say.
  • New technologies would be required to implement these backdoors, on pain of federal prosecution


In short, this proposal, when combined with the already onerous USA-PATRIOT Act will make it even easier to spy on John Q. Public. Further, adding backdoors into every network protocol lowers the security of EVERYONE and EVERYTHING on the internet to effectively nothing as soon as even one of the backdoors is found by a hacker.

So absolutely: contact your Congressman and let him know that this is the LAST thing the American people need shoved down their throats.
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Offline Thorn

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The joys of not being an American Citizen.

 

Offline Stryke 9

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Yeah, you get to see what'll be happening to you three years down the road.

 

Offline Rictor

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You said it Thorn.

Maybe its just me, but I always assumed that they already had this power, it was just never official. I mean, call me paranoid, but if I send an email with "suspicious" subject matter, I'm assuming some government data miner or some such thing will pick it up. Since when has the FBI/CIA/NSA/DOD done only what is currently legal? The only difference is, now they won't have to deny they do it.

However if this got passed, it would add a layer of legitimacy to the whole thing, and thats certainly not good.

 

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and you realy think that your not being american is going to help you in the slightest
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If the FBI does get some sort of evidence against me that I've done something illegal, they'll have obtained it by methods that are illegal in Canada...
FAIL

 

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Echelon. Open secret that they were scanning public Internet areas for suspect words and flagging them at one point, word got out and people started trying to overload the system by sending loads of messages with "bomb" "jihad" and the like in 'em. Apparently, they succeeded, and the program was supposedly shut down.

It's pretty much an equally open secret that they never really did end it, though. The whole point of the NSA's existence is electronic spying, and they make no bones about it.

 

Offline Bobboau

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If the FBI does get some sort of evidence against me that I've done something illegal, they'll have obtained it by methods that are illegal in Canada...
FAIL


and this helps you how?
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Originally posted by Rictor
Maybe its just me, but I always assumed that they already had this power, it was just never official.

Well, not really, no. There's some things they could probably do unofficially, but there's some practical limits on what they can do just by the nature of the mathematics of cryptography. Right now, the FBI, for example, can't read my email in any kind of reasonable time. I use fat, deep encryption. Sure, they COULD break it, but by the time they do, I'll be dead and I simply won't care. Thus, their only alternative is to sieze my machine. THAT would take a court order, which they can already get. There's absolutely no reason to make it easier for them to screw with private citizens. And if they trot out the 'safety and security' horse, or the 'terrorists!' horse, fuck'em. I'd rather be FREE than 'safe'. I'd rather have my privacy than be 'safe'. I can take care of my own god damn safety thanks. If this passes, then my encryption software will have to have a backdoor for them to use.
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Offline Rictor

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/is replaying Deus Ex

Echelon IV was never shut down, just got upgraded into Daedelus. Of course, we don't have to worry about the governement spying on us anymore, 'cause after Daedelus merged with Icarus, and subsequently became Helios, it was promptly destroyed.

...errr, yeah.

 

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I'm probably in some governement database. I figure I've gone to enough antiwar websites to get atleast that. The books I'm buying probably don't help either. Ah well, as long as I'm in Canada, the NSA can't nab me....unless they ask nicely. But hey, they're Americans, they'll never think of that, so I should be pretty safe.

  

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and this helps you how?


Hmm, Bob, is telling you the FBI has absolutly no power outside of the States enough for you?
They tend to forget that the web doesn't belong to any country anymore, and USA has no right on it :o
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Hmm, Bob, is telling you the FBI has absolutly no power outside of the States enough for you?
They tend to forget that the web doesn't belong to any country anymore, and USA has no right on it :o


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Offline Stryke 9

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I'd rather be FREE than 'safe'.


The problem being that you and I seem to be in the minority.

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if anything US based wants to sue me, they'd first have to get a Dutch court order to gather the evidence, and then they'd have to get a conviction from a Dutch judge.

bottom line: as long as i don't do anything except talk about bombs, i'm fine.
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Offline Bobboau

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if they realy wanted to **** you up do you think any of that's going to stop them, granted, you havn't done anything to have them to want to **** you up, and they know this, becase they'v read all of your e-mail :)

think about it, they have ten boxes full of printouts of you and your frends' plans to do something, there not (as styke just pointed out) going to let a little thing like the law get in there way.
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uhm, right.

there'd be this little practical issue of getting here to take me out, and of course, they could just hire a hitman to do the job, but so could you lot.
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