[AlphaOne]

Look i'm having trouble figuring out what the size of the GTVF(former GTVA) fleet size should be.
Heres what I think should be the size of the whole Federation FLEET:
-1 SCarier
-18 Fleet/escort carriers they are 4.5 km long
-6 SD (1 of federal design,1 of shivan terran design and 4 of shivan origin(captured ones)
-6 battleships (these are 5 km large behemonts armed to the teeth with huge and heavy beam cannon weaponry and only a squadron of interceptors)
-8 dreadnoughts(4 km large ships with masive amounts of armour and weaponry no fighterbay).
From here the numbers are ADDED GTVF+Sol ships:
-60 destroyers(GTVF destroyers as well as soll destroyers)
-55 friggates
-70 corvettes
-98 cruisers
+ some 10 advanced "Ascendent" class destroyers with an advanced A.I. matrix these things are 3.1 km long and have a crew of almost 5000+ 1000 soldiers on board.This class of warships are mostly automated that is why they require so few people on board.In fact these new capships could run all by themselfs but a skeletal crew was decided to be on board just in case.These warships benefit from a new adv.vasudan antimater reactors as well as new antimater beam weaponry etc.In fact everithing on these ships is new and of adv. versions to the normal equipment.
I must specify that the GTVF controles now all of the GTVA former space + 12 new sistems+ 1 nebula nad will get hold of even more as the Third shivan war starts.
6 of these sistems are highli rich in resources most of them not being sutable for habitation.
I would like to know if the figures are somewhat realistic keep in mind that they have 50+ years of improved technology and manufacturing capabilities you can imagine how many ship yards were built during this time etc.

[aldo_14]

It would seem (more than) a bit high..... in FS2 there were only about 5-10 destroyers mentioned (I'd assume maybe 2 heading each of something like5-7 fleets), so 60 would seem excessive.

[karajorma]

Actually they are quite close to what I'd expect from someone paying attention to [V]. The NTF lose about 10 destroyers during the course of FS2 (not counting [V] multiplayer missions) from the 3 fleets involved in Bosch's rebellion.  That averages out to about 3 per fleet.

We know that the Terrans had at least 12 fleets and that the vasudans had at least 13 because fleets with those numbers were mentioned.  So at least for destroyers the numbers sound spot on.

Does make you wonder what all those ships were doing during FS2 doesn't it?

[Unknown Target]

Getting blown up

[karajorma]

Probably. The Saths smashed through blockades several times and we never heard any ship casualty figures. It's quite possible that the GTVA lost a whole bunch of destroyers that we didn't hear about. In fact it's probable.

[Havock]

also, keep in mind that many destroyers would be assigned to other systems, or could be into maintenance.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Meh. The Shivan's couldnt even blow up the Aquitane. Let alone get any further then the Capella in the storyline, we didn't really loose much in terms of ships. Think about it. The Colosus was destroyed because it had already gotten the **** beat out of it, as well as fighting a Demon, and THEN a Sathanis. The rest was evactuation, and no destroyers except the Meson-loaded ones were destroyed. So then, if you add it up, we lost maybe about 3 or 4 destroyers during their campaign against us. Maybe even less.

[Ghostavo]

I don't mean to offend you but... we're you drunk when flying "Into the Lion's Den"? Or when any ship engaged the Sathanas? Tell me, how many destroyers engaged the Aquitane?

Please go play the damn game again...

[.::Tin Can::.]

I will as soon as my computer is fixed.

But since you know better then why dont you tell me the instances that we lost a gajillion destroyers to the hands of the Shivans, eh?

[karajorma]

When the shivans decimated (wrong word) the forces guarding the Gamma Draconis jump node for one.

[Ghostavo]

I wasn't talking about ships "we" lost but instead this:

The Shivan's couldnt even blow up the Aquitane. Let alone get any further then the Capella in the storyline

But even so I will tell you some of the ships we lost.

Psantik, Colossus, the-capship-stupid-enough-to-put-itself-in-front-of-the-Sathanas-in-Bearbaiting, etc...

[.::Tin Can::.]

That was 2, and the ship that was sent to "Hold the Node" was the Phonecia, and when I played (Every Time) it escaped. As for the ETC, that seems rather unclear to me... elaborate a tad more...

And yes, I finally remember the Psamtik. As for the rest, all I recall were corvettes and cruisers and so on.

[JC Denton]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
the-capship-stupid-enough-to-put-itself-in-front-of-the-Sathanas-in-Bearbaiting

The Phoenicia...and there's a slight chance that it may not be destroyed in that mission...

[EDIT] Tin beat me to it, apparently... [/EDIT]

[.::Tin Can::.]

There is a GOOD chance it survived. It always did, UNLESS, the Sathanis only powered up 3 cannons, shot, and then it powered up the fourth. But the rest of the times, it said

"This is Phonecia. 25% of our crew is down. Authorization or not, we're getting out of here command"

[Ghostavo]

The Phoenicia is supposed to die, it doesn't die because of a "bug". As for other ships you have the Bastion, the Nereid, and possible others you don't fly with (Alpha 1 doesn't have to know everything the fleet is going through, and doesn't see all the ships of the 3rd Fleet)... and for the last time I didn't even said that the terran lost a gajillion destroyers. What I was doing was telling you that you were understimating a lot the shivans. Over 80 Sathanas is more than enough to destroy 3 or 4 times as much Colossus and Terrans did lose many ships during the 2nd great war.

[Unknown Target]

And Tin Can gets the award for the DUMBEST argument ever made...according to him, the Shivans were super weak and could've EASILY gotten their ass whupped by the GTVA

[StratComm]

If you're going to count GTVA destroyers you have to count all of the ones in briefings, as well as all of the NTF destroyers as well as they were commissioned GTVA but deserted.  So that should bring the total up to near 30, plus the assumption (a safe one) that you really don't see much of what's going on in the grand scheme of things.  You're attached to the Aquitane, so you're naturally going to spend more time in missions involving it.  But if you want to go into naming, there is the Aquitane, Carthage, Psamtic, Memphis, Nereid, Bastion, Messana, Phoenicia, etc, plus the Repulse and all of the other Orions you destroy of the NTF; the destroyers in the cutscenes, the Vasudan destroyer that can be seen blowing up in the background of the end game cutscene, etc.  There are lots more than 10 destroyers mentioned in the campaign, and many more implied.  The 60 figure sounds fine.  I do have a problem with a cruiser/corvette/frigate ratio to the destroyers though, you'd expect the fleet to have a good number of smaller support craft to the larger destroyers.

[Nuclear1]

I believe there's a thread back somewhere where I and a few others listed each and every one of the capital ships in FS2.

EDIT: Then again, there's probably a document floating around somewhere too...

[karajorma]

As I said the NTF alone lose 10 destroyers. That's from counting all the destroyers mentioned in the briefings as well as the ones killed in missions.

[aldo_14]

How do we know the Terran & Vasudan fleet numbers are not inclusive?  After all, it'd get confusing referring to the 1st Terran fleet and 1st Vasudan fleet during a battle, even if the commands weren't unified.