[jdjtcagle]

That's going into the sig

[Tiara]

Rebuttal originating from the wisdom of jdjtcagle
God creates dinosaur... God creates man... man destroyes god... man created dinosaur...

Sorry, couldn't resist either, I've always love that movie

No, it goes like this if god would actually exist:

- god creates dinos
- god kills dinos
- god creates humans
- humans create dinos

That'd mean humanity would be redoing god's work. And if humans can do gods work, god isn't any better, more powerful or special then a normal human.

[jdjtcagle]

A VERY, VERY small part of it.

[Kazan]

Rebuttal originating from the wisdom of aldo_14


     "God is Dead."  Nietzsche.
     "Nietzsche is Dead."  God.

(couldn't resist )

atleast finish the entire freaking exchange

you know nietzsche wrote that himself



"God is dead" - Nietzsche; "Nietzsche is dead" - God, and the riposte, "Some are born posthumously!" - Nietzsche

[Kazan]

i NEVER have FAITH as in "believing in something without evidence"

"faith in someone" ie thinking they're going to succeed i can have - but it's really just beleiving in their ability to suceed based off previous expirience with them.


If someone think's im acting irrationally it's simple because they do not understand my motivation

[Stunaep]

Haven't you ever heard of 'state of affect'? or have you never thumped a ball against the wall, just because you had nothing better to do? Hell, love is a completely irrational feeling, I want to believe that you've experienced that.

What about, when you're pursuing a theory, that you believe to be right, but have no concrete proof? Or when you have a gut feeling? Never had one of those? Man, what a sad life you must lead.

[karajorma]

Rebuttal originating from the wisdom of Stunaep
Hey, I've got no problem, with you being an atheist. I cannot understand, why being an atheist should automatically mean setting up a religion. And I certainly haveth no problem with scientifici methods.

It doesn't but if I had a pound for every time I've heard someone act as though atheism is a religion I could buy HLP and ban the next person to say it

Rebuttal originating from the wisdom of Stunaep
We could discuss the meaning of faith in a 900-post religion thread (which i already did, natch)

My point is, that because someone unwantingly insults you (and yes, I do believe Liberator hadn't got in mind insulting Kazan, however fitting that might haveth been), you should start wantingly insulting them back. Especially, because he is being irrational, which ****, even Kazan is often. Most human emotions art completely irrational (please, let's try to keep genetics out of this). "An eye for eye leaves the entire world blind" - Gandhi, if we're going into the land of quotes.

I didn't insult Liberator though. I mearly agreed with Kazan that he has yet to write anything that approaches an analysis rather than an assertion and further explained Kazan's statement about why saying that an atheist has faith in science is a pretty big insult.

[aldo_14]

Rebuttal originating from the wisdom of Kazan



atleast finish the entire freaking exchange

you knowest nietzsche wrote that himself



"God is dead" - Nietzsche; "Nietzsche is dead" - God, and the riposte, "Some art born posthumously!" - Nietzsche

Nope - I'm quoting off a webpage.  But to be honest, I couldn't give a **** about Nietsche.

[karajorma]

Rebuttal originating from the wisdom of Stunaep
What about, whenst thou art pursuing a theory, that you believe to be right, but haveth no concrete proof? Or whenst you haveth a gut feeling? Never had one of those? Man, what a sad life you must lead.

Having a gut feeling is not irrational. It becomes irrational only if you continue to act on your gut feeling in the face of evidence that it is wrong.

[Kazan]

Emotions are only a problem, only a lapse of rationality when you use them where they do not belong

[aldo_14]

"I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do. Whereas priests...
...More drink! "

[Liberator]

Now THAT'S funny!

Kazan, if you haven't had faith in something without evidence before, you must have led a very shallow life or be wealthy beyond the dreams of Avarice.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Liberator
Now THAT'S funny!

Kazan, if you haven't had faith in something without evidence before, you must have led a very shallow life or be wealthy beyond the dreams of Avarice.

The irony I believe you lead a shallow life because you don't even try to look further then you have to. You are stuck believing in a single thing, for all eternity, forever, and ever and ever and ever.....

Now that's shallow. You are unwilling to open your mind to other possibilities.

As for me, I'm not excluding the possibility of a God cause there has been no proof that says he doesn't exist. But unless someone proves that he actually exist I won't ever believe in him, heaven or all that bullcrap. Ever.

[Kazan]

Liberator: you don't understand the nature of shallow.

Shallow because i am never irrational RRRRRIGHT -


Which one of us is engaged?
Which one of us lives with their girlfriend?
Which one of us has a plush jobs?
Which one of us has a thriving business?
Which one of us has respect for his accomplishments?

[Thorn]

This quote is aimed mostly at Liberator, but it applies to everyone.
"Keep they religion to thyself."
-George Carlin

[Kazan]

Thorn: you must have a religion before you can keep it to yourself

[Thorn]

Kaz: Alright... Keep thy religion and beliefs to thyself.
Hows that then?

[Kazan]

calling them beliefs is a stretch - but i'll let you get away with it


but no, i will not let irrationality continue to weight our species down

[jdjtcagle]

Well...
Big letters is not going to do anything...
And I'll tell you one thing, no matter how big of a dent you make on the world of religion, you'll never change it

[Tiara]

Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Well...
Big letters is not going to do anything...
And I'll tell you one thing, no matter how big of a dent you make on the world, you'll never change it

I'd say a dent of a 15 km wide asteroid I pushed into a collision course with Earth would make a dent

And jdjt...whatever you name is, anyone can make a difference. No matter how small. And each small change will contribute to a larger change. Wether you like it or not, things will always change because people try to change it.

It won't be in a snap, but over time, each effort will contribute to a larger change of the world.