[aldo_14]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3606845.stm

Um...pretty astonishing, this.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Astounding.

That's photo's a bit troubling, as it looks like the baby's legs aren't attatched to anything.

[Setekh]

What an extraordinary act. People will go to great lengths to save life.

[J3Vr6]

Way to go, mexican senorita!

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by aldo_14
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3606845.stm

Um...pretty astonishing, this.

If she had died, she would have deserved a Darwin award. To put it gently, I generally consider opening yourself up with a knife on purpose to fall under the definition of "stupid".

If your baby dies, you can have another unless you've reached menopause. If the baby's mother dies during delivery, the baby itself will likely die as well.

[kasperl]

really, how the bloody **** do you suggest to walk around with a half born baby in you?

[Woolie Wool]

It might take hours to get to the hospital, by which time the baby would probably be dead, but YOU would likely have a far greater chnce of surviving by waiting those hours than if you cut yourself open in a decidedly nonsterile environment. There's a reason why surgeons take such extreme precautions to make sure themselves and the operating room and equipment are completely 100% clean.

[mikhael]

Wow.

Good job mexican lady.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool



If she had died, she would have deserved a Darwin award. To put it gently, I generally consider opening yourself up with a knife on purpose to fall under the definition of "stupid".

If your baby dies, you can have another unless you've reached menopause. If the baby's mother dies during delivery, the baby itself will likely die as well.

Do you know anyone who's had a miscarrige?

do you have any idea how emoptionally painful it is for the (would be)mother?  How much they would want to avoid it again?  Not to mention that it increases the risk of another miscarriage later one?

[TopAce]

Originally posted by mikhael
Wow.

Good job mexican lady.

Really unique.

[J3Vr6]

I support her A-1 idea, 100%!  Woolie, you obviously don't know the emotional attachment a mother has to the life growing inside her.  You may think it's simple to say, "If I lose the baby, oh well, I'll have sugar daddy knock me up again..."  But you're just plain loco.  You deserve to be peed on.  Babies aren't things that grow on trees or you can put on lay-away (well, I guess you can in certain countries) that you can go pick up when your old one breaks.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Do you know anyone who's had a miscarrige?

do you have any idea how emoptionally painful it is for the (would be)mother?  How much they would want to avoid it again?  Not to mention that it increases the risk of another miscarriage later one?

But what about the husband (if there is one)? I would imagine that the death of a wife is far more traumatic than the death of a baby. And if the mother is the only parent and by some "miracle" the mother dies and the baby survives, what future is there for the baby? I highly doubt they have the kind of orphanages and foster homes that we have in the boondocks of Mexico.

You have no idea how dangerous a surgical procedure is in the conditions of a normal house, especially the kind of house you'd find belonging to a poor person in rural Mexico. It's like playing Russian roulette, except with four rounds in the cylinder instead of one.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool


But what about the husband (if there is one)? I would imagine that the death of a wife is far more traumatic than the death of a baby. And if the mother is the only parent and by some "miracle" the mother dies and the baby survives, what future is there for the baby? I highly doubt they have the kind of orphanages and foster homes that we have in the boondocks of Mexico.

You have no idea how dangerous a surgical procedure is in the conditions of a normal house, especially the kind of house you'd find belonging to a poor person in rural Mexico. It's like playing Russian roulette, except with four rounds in the cylinder instead of one.

You obviously have no idea of the emotional bond between a parent and child.....the number one concern of this mother was to save her child, regardless of her own wellbeing.  I think that should be applauded, not condemned.  I know fine well how dangerous a 'procedure' it is - that's what makes it all the more impressive to me.

[Nico]

It worked, so in the end she was right. If she desereves an award, it's certainly not the Darwin one.

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]Lucky gal.

Y'know, only last week I was looking at a serrated Kitchen Devil knife and, after cutting an orange in one fell swoop with no juice loss, thinking how unnaturally easy it would be to mortally wound myself with it.[/color]

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by aldo_14


You obviously have no idea of the emotional bond between a parent and child.....the number one concern of this mother was to save her child, regardless of her own wellbeing.  I think that should be applauded, not condemned.  I know fine well how dangerous a 'procedure' it is - that's what makes it all the more impressive to me.

It's laudable to risk your own life for an infant who's doomed without you (this is the middle of Mexico. There are no nice, loving foster parents to take an abandoned baby in)?  The line between courage and idiocy is thin, but an act like this steps over it. She was very lucky not to have gotten a horrible, horrible infection. She may well have been infected with something nasty, but the disease is still incubating.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool


It's laudable to risk your own life for an infant who's doomed without you (this is the middle of Mexico. There are no nice, loving foster parents to take an abandoned baby in)?  The line between courage and idiocy is thin, but an act like this steps over it. She was very lucky not to have gotten a horrible, horrible infection. She may well have been infected with something nasty, but the disease is still incubating.

Because obviously Mexico is full of single parents with no money, and they have no hospital service capable of treating people?

[Woolie Wool]

THE HOSPITAL IS EIGHT GODDAMN HOURS AWAY. THAT'S WHY SHE DIDN'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. And no, Mexico is not really filled with single parents, but most families in Mexico ARE dead broke by our standards. It would be really hard for a single father to raise children in a hellhole like rural Mexico. Whole families have to work long hours in Mexico JUST TO GET ENOUGH FOOD TO SUSTAIN THEMSELVES. Mexico is a third-world country, especially the part of Mexico where this woman lived. Per-capita income is in the low four figures. Education is virtually nonexistent. Living conditions are squalid. The hospitals are few in number, small and crappy.  Most Americans would probably not want to drink the water. These kinds of places are the absolute armpits of the Earth.

You can't just buckle down and "pull through" when one of the adult members of the family dies.

[karajorma]

I suppose woolie also believes that people on remote farms who get an arm caught in farm machinary should just wait for help rather than hacking the arm off

There are a large number of birth complications that can also be fatal to the mother. How do you know this wasn't one of them?

[aldo_14]

Meh, my mistake.   Although she did make it into hospital anyways

Anyway, my point stands - She saved the babies life.