[wizz33]

i knew it was possible
10 jears i came in my search for a good powersource
with the idea to just but a electric engie and a dynamo in line and put some static magnets in it to help. now some Japaese back room infentor doos my job

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=104183&threshold=1&commentsort=0&tid=134&mode=thread&cid=8873654;7

since the server is /.ed the story

[Kazan]

that's seting off a lot of BS-o-meters.. i'll wait to see if it gets used

[Ghostavo]

You realise this is a scam right?

330 percent eficiency... right...

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]Gee wizz, you're right. It is unbelievable. I for one don't believe it has any practical application.

The only two options I see are that:

• It is real, but is utilising the potential energy of the magnets. Hence it only being viable with big magnets (apparently). This means that it would die and simply become a very inefficient electric motor after a few rotations.
• It is phony. This has happened before.

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[Martinus]

Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]It is phony. This has happened before.[/color]

[color=66ff00]I'd wait until it's authenticity was verified to make such a claim.
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[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]I don't follow. You'd wait for it to be verified truthful before you claim it's phony?[/color]

[Rictor]

Isn't this going against some basic laws of motion and work? I don't really remember my physics all that well, but it seems unlikely that this could run a motor with no external power source.

[Ghostavo]

Did anyone pay atention to what I posted?

100% eficiency is impossible... more is... well... more than impossible if that is possible

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Odyssey
[color=cc9900]I don't follow. You'd wait for it to be verified truthful before you claim it's phony?[/color]

[color=66ff00]No quite the opposite in fact, I'd wait for it to be proven phony before stating so. It may share attributes with previous hoaxes but you can't state that this is a hoax without actually knowing it's a fact.

Well you can but it would be an invalid statement.
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[Odyssey]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
Did anyone pay atention to what I posted?

100% eficiency is impossible... more is... well... more than impossible if that is possible

[color=cc9900]Well, if you don't take into account any external, 'free' inputs, then >100% efficiency is perfectly possible. It's like saying a car is incredibly efficient because look how little oxygen is being used in the engine for how far it's going. Measure it in terms of fuel and you get a different story.

We know very little about what this guy is doing. We do know that all the voltmeter and ammeters in his circuit are taking into account is electricity.[/color]

Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]No quite the opposite in fact, I'd wait for it to be proven phony before stating so. It may share attributes with previous hoaxes but you can't state that this is a hoax without actually knowing it's a fact.

Well you can but it would be an invalid statement.
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[color=cc9900]My misunderstanding.

What I meant by my comment is that 'free energy' machines of whatever variety have been put forward before and have stumbled at the first stepping stone. I wasn't stating that it was a hoax, hence the list - I think it's either a hoax or it's utilising an external input, the most likely case being potential energy in the permanent magnets.[/color]

[diamondgeezer]

In this house we obey the laws of thermo dynamics!

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]Thermodynamics still allows for an external input.

I think a very interesting test would be replacing the permanent magnets in this device with electromagnets, and measuring the current draw on those particular electromagnets. If it increases when running than when at rest, then there's your problem solved. No free energy, just release of potential from permanent magnets.

Magnetic batteries, now there's a freaky idea. I still think the whole affair is more likely to be phony, but still, one can't help but wonder.[/color]

[01010]

^^^

Missed the reference it would seem.

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]The reference to the post on slashdot that references the words of Homer Simpson? [/color]

[Ghostavo]

Odyssey, if it gets an input from something else, it is an input none the less, it becomes part of the device, so >100% is a no no.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]The report I read (slashdot) made no claims to be a free energy engine or anything of the kind. It merely stated that it was a lot more efficient than your common motor.
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[Tiara]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
330 percent eficiency... right...

Anything above 100% means infinite energy

[Ghostavo]

Maeglamor

Next we move to a unit with its motor connected to a generator. What we see is striking. The meters showed an input to the stator electromagnets of approximately 1.8 volts and 150mA input, and from the generator, 9.144 volts and 192mA output. 1.8 x 0.15 x 2 = 540mW input and 9.144 x 0.192 = 1.755W out.

[Odyssey]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
Odyssey, if it gets an input from something else, it is an input none the less, it becomes part of the device, so >100% is a no no.

[color=cc9900]I realise that. But, please check where the figures are coming from - going in, the guy's measuring electricity. Coming out, the guy's measuring electricity. That is by no means a complete energy flow representation, so you can't expect a good concrete figure. Hence my assumption that something else is an input, additional to the electricity going in.[/color]

[Ghostavo]

Then he cannot claim that his engine is better than any other. It is taking energy from somewhere else, and that is still energy no matter where you get it. So concluding you have exactly the same amount of eficiency as an engine that is given the same input as the output of that one.