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Of the current generation (GFFX and R9x00) the cards run about the same speed when AA and AF is turned off.

The moment you turn them on, the GFFX lags far behind.

Moreover, if you play PS2.0 games, the GFFX series reverts to PS1.1 since they don't run PS2.0 fast enough (true even for the 5950).


I'd say it's safe to say that ATi is better for this generation...



The next generation is still up for grabs though.  I have a feeling it'll be closer this round.

 

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It really does boil down to personal preference though - Kazan does have a point that GF cards run hot. Not saying Radeons are cool - but certainly they have more effective cooling...

...anyway, like I said it's personal taste. If you don't plan on playing tomorrows games - but you insist on performance for todays then ATI is problably the way forward for you. Certainly their mid-range cards also seem a better bet, but some of the older GF cards (like my GF4!) can still hold their own with current software... though that's beginning to change.

At any rate, you pay your money and take your choice - you can't really go wrong with one of the £300 cards - they're fast. Start compromising with £100 cards and you'll find you have to lower some detail settings... but then you saved yourself £200. See where I'm going with this? :)

Certainly though if you wait for the next generation of cards to come out, you should see the current lines of cards come down quite significantly in price.... making them much more affordable but not as powerful as the next line... that said the next line are only really needed for the likes of Far Cry, Doom 3, HL2 and so forth... tomorrows games basically.

 

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Oh Kazan should love this. From the Tom's Hardware review of the GeForce 6800--
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While NVIDIA is loudly and proudly advertising the new shader model, ATi is attempting to downplay it. A wonderful and quite humorous example of this tactic is a developer presentation titled "Save the Nanosecond" by ATIs Richard Huddy which was accidentally leaked on the internet. The trouble was, the presentation still sported some personal notes which made it clear that the presenter was trying to convince developers to stay away from Flow Control in PS3.0, as it incurs a very tangible performance hit. Quote:

"Steer people away from flow control in ps3.0 because we expect it to hurt badly. [Also it's the main extra feature on NV40 vs R420 so let's discourage people from using it until R5xx shows up with decent performance...]"

Snarf.
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the 9600XT is an excellent buy


I'm still waiting for ATi to release the new card, so I can watch this baby's price drop even more. It's currently US$164 for a R9600XT with 256Mb.  That's great, and all, but I'd hate to spend all that, and watch it plummet even more.

When is ATi's newest card coming out, BTW? Any estimates?
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Snarf.


Was that a Thundercats reference?
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I'm still waiting for ATi to release the new card, so I can watch this baby's price drop even more. It's currently US$164 for a R9600XT with 256Mb.  That's great, and all, but I'd hate to spend all that, and watch it plummet even more.

When is ATi's newest card coming out, BTW? Any estimates?


The press release is the 26th and hopefully cards will be out by May (around the same time the 6800 is supposed to be available too).

This is for the X800Pro though.  The XT will come later supposedly.

 

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Was that a Thundercats reference?
It's an onomatopoeia.

And Thundercats was stupid.
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Thundercats was stupid... yes well there's a conclusive and well put forth arguement ;)

 

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As I said previously, I have never had the pleasure of a highend card.  I play at 1024x768 on most things.  I usually turn AS filtering all the way up because I've never seen a big performance hit, but I leave AA off because I can't tell a difference for the massive performance hit it requires.
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As I said previously, I have never had the pleasure of a highend card.  I play at 1024x768 on most things.  I usually turn AS filtering all the way up because I've never seen a big performance hit, but I leave AA off because I can't tell a difference for the massive performance hit it requires.

I have what amounts to last years high end card and I'm essentially playing last years high end games and I still run at 1024x768.  Two reasons: Raven Shields text doesn't size upto higher resolutions so while my FPS are still mid 80's at high res I can't read the text.  That and Forgotten Battles (like any flight sim) is a graphica/CPU hog by nature so 1024x768 plus 2xAA and 4xAS does the trick :D (and it looks GREAT).
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I didn't know whether to make a new post or edit my last one.

Anyway,

The following screens were taken in Neverwinter Nights with all the supported grapical settings turned all the way up except Creature Shadow detail which is one setting from max.  The only effect this has is giving NPCs blob shadows instead of detailed shadows.  Also Shiny Water is turned off because my card doesn't support pixel shaders.

Please forgive any JPG artifacts.

The first one is without Anti-Aliasing:


The second one has Nice 4X Sampling(or something like that, it's maxed out)


Both are at 800x600 with 2x Anisotropic Filtering.

I can't tell a difference between the two, but if someon with better eyes wants to point out the differences I'd be happy to look at them.
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There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 
Erm, AA isn't turned on in the second screenshot either.  I don't see the pattern at the edges that 4xAA should yield.

Which card do you have and which driver set?

 

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GF 4MX 420 PCI

drivers=53.04

BTW, I just used the slider in NWN, I may have to turn it on manually since I have set to off.

Okay, image is changed, and I can see the difference.  I guess I've never actually had AA on.*grins sheepishly*

It's still useless to me though, the framerate in the first one is ~9 and the framerate in the second is ~4.
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GF 4MX 420 PCI

drivers=53.04

BTW, I just used the slider in NWN, I may have to turn it on manually since I have set to off.

Okay, image is changed, and I can see the difference.  I guess I've never actually had AA on.*grins sheepishly*

It's still useless to me though, the framerate in the first one is ~9 and the framerate in the second is ~4.


It's definitely not worth the framerate hit, but look at something else you apparently turned on in the second shot: Anisoptropic filtering (I hate typing that out). It basically makes farther-away textures as sharp as close ones. To see the difference, compare the stones the BG dude in red is standing on in both pics - see the blurriness in the first one?

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once again someone said there is a radeon taht uses two slots- NAME IT last time someone said that hey ate crow because they realized they were not thinking of an ATI board at all


I didn't say it, but I'm getting one - a Radeon 9800 Pro from HIS / Hightech. Image attached.

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Doesn't beat my GF4 ti4200 with two slot passive cooling =P

 

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