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Offline Liberator

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Reply #40 on: April 23, 2004, 10:16:08 pm
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It's definitely not worth the framerate hit, but look at something else you apparently turned on in the second shot: Anisoptropic filtering (I hate typing that out). It basically makes farther-away textures as sharp as close ones. To see the difference, compare the stones the BG dude in red is standing on in both pics - see the blurriness in the first one?


Sandy, AS filtering is on in the first one also.  I always leave it on.

Add to that it's a slightly different angle and he's in a different position.
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Reply #41 on: April 24, 2004, 12:23:35 am
That's a he, Lib?

My, you lead an interesting life, don't you. You might be alright after all. :D
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Reply #42 on: April 24, 2004, 12:31:07 pm
Sandwhich and I were both talking about the Red Guy in the background, not the giant sword weilding Elf babe in spiffy, CEP styled chain the forground.
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Reply #43 on: April 24, 2004, 05:59:55 pm
Oh, in that case, I take it back. :D You're not alright at all. ;)
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Reply #44 on: April 24, 2004, 06:16:20 pm
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...FX5600 and FX5800 are to be avoided


Why is this?  I have a FX5600 and it runs fine for me.  I have never had any problems...
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Reply #45 on: April 24, 2004, 06:28:32 pm
Because, at the same price point, an ATi card is really far better performance wise, ubermetroid. Also, these cards perform horribly for the generation of video card in which they were released. They're definately decent cards, but they're not on par with the hardware they compete with.
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Reply #46 on: April 24, 2004, 07:27:14 pm
Sandwich: i do not consider any boards not manufactured by ATI to be ATI boards

only "Built By ATI" are ATI boards, everything else is simply "Powered By" and is made by whatever third party manufacturer - the reference design is the official design.

NO REFERENCE DESIGN from ATI requires two slots - unlike the reference designs from a certain different manufacturer
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Reply #47 on: April 24, 2004, 07:40:06 pm
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Sandy, AS filtering is on in the first one also.  I always leave it on.

Add to that it's a slightly different angle and he's in a different position.


Ahh, ok. It must be the angle between the camera and the ground. That has an affect on whether the AS filter kicks in. Anyway, that kind of blurriness/sharpness difference is what you get - practically for free (performance-wise) - with ATi chips. It places a much heavier load on nVidia chips.

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Sandwich: i do not consider any boards not manufactured by ATI to be ATI boards

only "Built By ATI" are ATI boards, everything else is simply "Powered By" and is made by whatever third party manufacturer - the reference design is the official design.

NO REFERENCE DESIGN from ATI requires two slots - unlike the reference designs from a certain different manufacturer


Right, I realize all that, and agree with it. What's yer point? :p I'm simply getting a "Powered by ATi" card that doesn't require such heavy-duty cooling, but it certainly will benefit from it. Besides, the first PCI slot apparently shares resources with the AGP slot and should never be used anyway - it'll just slow graphics performance down.
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Reply #48 on: April 24, 2004, 07:40:12 pm
Nice waffle, Kaz.

If it has an ATi GPU on it, its an ATi card, just like any card with an Nvidia GPU is an Nvidia card. Don't split hairs when you're wrong.
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Reply #49 on: April 24, 2004, 07:42:37 pm
No, actually he's right on this... the two categories of cards are even packaged and labeled differently. The 100% ATi boards are labeled "Built by ATi", the 3rd-party boards using ATi chipsets are limited to "Powered by ATi".
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #50 on: April 24, 2004, 07:45:20 pm
I'll not argue the labelling. He's patently correct on the labelling.

However, to suddenly, at this late stage, to apply a narrow definition to the term 'ATi card' in order to remain right when someone has shown proof that would invalidate any looser definition, is, I'm afraid, bollocks.
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Reply #51 on: April 24, 2004, 07:58:00 pm
Considering his whole reason for defining an "ATi card" was to state that none of them require two-slot cooling solutions, his definition was perfectly correct. Who better than ATi to determine what cooling their VPU's need? Officially, ATi VPU's don't need 2-slot cooling. Just like how any campaign we may make, while still FS/FS2 "powered", is not officially how the Freespace universe unfolds. :p
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Reply #52 on: April 24, 2004, 08:03:31 pm
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I don't want this to turn into a ATI vs. NVidia free-for-all, so you ATI folks stay away.


:rolleyes:

Well, there's always the next time :D
 

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Reply #53 on: April 24, 2004, 08:05:03 pm
Yes, and the Reference design is the correct one to use for comparing, nvidia doesn't have a reference design... but they do have minimum cooling requirements (which are MUCH higher than ATI's)
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Reply #54 on: April 24, 2004, 08:07:53 pm
why should some company be judged based on what another company does?
ATI didn't build that card, they shouldn't be blamed for it.
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Reply #55 on: April 24, 2004, 08:34:29 pm
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And Thundercats was stupid.
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Reply #56 on: April 24, 2004, 08:52:22 pm
Hmm... somehow I was expecting... more...
 

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Reply #57 on: April 24, 2004, 08:54:51 pm
I burned out my half a brain cell watching porn earlier.
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Reply #58 on: April 24, 2004, 09:23:15 pm
Happens to the best of us
 

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Reply #59 on: April 24, 2004, 09:24:34 pm
I "consider" bacon to be a vegetable.
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