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Offline vyper

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[q]That clear enough?[/q]

You just dont. get. it.

The EU was never meant to be anything more than a free market bloc - nothing more, not the foundation for a superpower.

Jesus, talk about delusions of grandeur.
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Offline Janos

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I see great things rising of EU when three citizens of three member countries can't even communicate clearly or find a common point about what they think EU should be... ON AN INTERNET DISCUSSION BOARD! :lol:
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As representives of thouse contries as long as anyone else steps to take part on the discussion we are thus also representives of EU citizens, lol
lol wtf

 

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Well, yeah, actually the thing that the EU doesn't seem to understand, is that you cannot force standards on 30 countries of *very* different backgrounds. Naturally that causes problems. Standards on this big a scale don't work. The interests of all the countries are too different.

So, IMO, the EU needs to find the line, where the common laws start conflicting with every nation so much, that they stop trying to compromise. If they push over that, either the EU will fall, or some of the smaller nations will die out. Either way, it could get ugly, so I'll hope the EU politicians find out where to draw the line.
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[q]As representives of thouse contries as long as anyone else steps to take part on the discussion we are thus also representives of EU citizens, lol[/q]

I feel violated.
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Offline Stunaep

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Originally posted by vyper
[q]That clear enough?[/q]

You just dont. get. it.

The EU was never meant to be anything more than a free market bloc - nothing more, not the foundation for a superpower.

Jesus, talk about delusions of grandeur.


It wasn't meant to be nothing more than a free market bloc *when it was founded*. It's gone past that a long time ago.
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Yeah but the people of this country or any of the member states voted to back a free market bloc, when it goes beyond that a new choice should be offered to them - not rammed down thier throats by MEPs.
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Originally posted by vyper
[q]That clear enough?[/q]

You just dont. get. it.

The EU was never meant to be anything more than a free market bloc - nothing more, not the foundation for a superpower.

Jesus, talk about delusions of grandeur.

*sigh* :sigh: You're the one who isn't getting it. Well, maybe neither of us gets it (over a mesage board :p). Anyway, I'm not going to discuss this any further cuz it'll only end up in a fight. Neither of us can really explain what they mean over a message board anyway :p
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S'all right I want a cuppa anyway. At least thats something most people in the EU have in common.
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Everything is always moving and changing, including cultures in larger scale.
Steps forward or steps backwards.. I think this is the way to go.
May take a lifetime or two of struggle to get it half working, but anyways.

Welcome to all new members :)

 

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Well, I am happy that Baltic states finally joined. Even though I am a bit worried about their enviroment - they have retained a small and very idyllic piece of old European agriculture, which serves as a safe haven for many bird species' northern populations.
lol wtf

 

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yeah, great for the baltics, I guess. of course, had I been old enough to vote ten years ago, I'd have voted against sweden joining.

oh, and yay for the czech republic and slovakia too.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Well, yeah, actually the thing that the EU doesn't seem to understand, is that you cannot force standards on 30 countries of *very* different backgrounds. Naturally that causes problems. Standards on this big a scale don't work. The interests of all the countries are too different.


:wtf:
The countries that want to join the EU are not forced to do so. They know what they'll be asked to do, they know both the pros and the cons of the deal. Force standards? No: the countries CHOOSE those standards. Colossal difference, my friend.
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Funnily enough if Britain left the EU we would still have the advantages of free trade with member states. If Labour promised to secede from it at the next election I'd probably vote for them; for now, however, the Tories are the safest bet, ideologically and policy-wise. I wish they'd cull all the old Europhiles like Heseltine, Clarke and Portillo, though.

 

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Well, there goes the neighbourhood.
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:wtf:
The countries that want to join the EU are not forced to do so. They know what they'll be asked to do, they know both the pros and the cons of the deal. Force standards? No: the countries CHOOSE those standards. Colossal difference, my friend.


Yes, only a good deal of those standards were made *after* the decisions to join the EU were made, signed, and delivered. Same thing as with vyper's problem - once you're in, there's pretty much nothing you can do, if the EU screws you over.

Well, actually, there is, most of the more stupid limits can safely be ignored (I'd like to see the bloke who comes to check, if we've renamed our 2.5% milk to "a milky drink", or some such stupidity).

Same with, for example, the Euro. Swedes were given the option to choose whether they want the Euro or not. We? Our politicians don't have the spine to hold a referendum. So they simply take it matter-of-factly.

But don´t get me wrong here, I'm still pro-EU. It'll definately enrich the cultural diversity of Europe, even if it messes up the life quality here in Estonia for a few years. And this at least gives us some degree of certainty, that the russians won't just come in 5 years and screw us over (with their "attack and liberate the neighboring countries that treat russians badly" statement they've made and all), and travelling certainly becomes easier. To me it's choosing between a bad option, and a mediocre option, with the possiblility of becoming a good option.
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Originally posted by Stunaep


1) Yes, only a good deal of those standards were made *after* the decisions to join the EU were made, signed, and delivered. Same thing as with vyper's problem - once you're in, there's pretty much nothing you can do, if the EU screws you over.

2) Well, actually, there is, most of the more stupid limits can safely be ignored (I'd like to see the bloke who comes to check, if we've renamed our 2.5% milk to "a milky drink", or some such stupidity).

3) Same with, for example, the Euro. Swedes were given the option to choose whether they want the Euro or not. We? Our politicians don't have the spine to hold a referendum. So they simply take it matter-of-factly.

4)  But don´t get me wrong here, I'm still pro-EU. It'll definately enrich the cultural diversity of Europe, even if it messes up the life quality here in Estonia for a few years. And this at least gives us some degree of certainty, that the russians won't just come in 5 years and screw us over (with their "attack and liberate the neighboring countries that treat russians badly" statement they've made and all), and travelling certainly becomes easier. To me it's choosing between a bad option, and a mediocre option, with the possiblility of becoming a good option.


1) No. There's been additions, but the goals are pretty clear, and so it's pretty clear to guess how the exigences will evolve. The UE has not been defined right after all those countries decided to join, you know.

2) I don't know anything about that, to be honest :). I con't care less anyway, that's just butt ****ing flies. There's more anoying deals, believe me ( You know somebody working in the... don't know in english, any job that has to do with building buildings ), or public recreation. Check the safety requirements. I know they're important, but there's ines not to cross, when overdone requirements threaten the future of said company/association/whatever. THAT is more annoying. Believe me, some are really crazy and stupid.

3) Well, even if you say so, the Euro is a good thing, the strongest currency nowadays, btw. I just don't get people who are against it.

4) I'm pro euro too, to an extent. That aside, the main fact that many people don't really get is that the UE stuff is/will be a pain for many years to come. Because that's a long process endeavour. It can't be perfect from the begining, and to get a working thing, yo HAVE to make choices that will benefit the UE setup, but will make people unhappy.
I'll take the France exemple, coz that's the only one I know. France is a special case, much like Germany. Because we have a strong part of our economy based on farm products ( cheese, butcher's meat, stuff like that, which is massively exportated ), we kind of suffer a lot from many of the EU decisions. On the other hand, like Germany, we're kind of a leading country of the EU, and we often enforce our own politics over the EU ones. For exemple, the government we have now is working a lot on cleaning the social and economical problems we have ( clearing debts, stuff like that ). And there's very drastic decisions made that don't please many french people ( that's new to me, to be honest, coz usually, french politicians suck up to people to stay in their positions as long as it is possible, which leads to stuff getting worse, and worse ). All that costs a lot, so we don't exactly meet the EU requirements for annual budget balances and alike ( by "not exactly", I mean we're completly off :p ). But wether they like it or not, they can't say much, after all :p
The general consensus here is that EU objectives should be adapted to the country and the times. If we were to follow the directives to the letter, France economical situation would only get worse. The EU deal works fine for an economicaly sane country. Which is not the case right now for about all the members of the Union.
All that to say that you can't expect things to get brighter right away, you can't expect, maybe, any good outcome out of this for the time being. It's a long due process that will probably disgust most people, but I do believe it's going the right way, we just have to be patient.
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"any job that has to do with building buildings "
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Actually France benefits a lot from the EU's common agricultural policy and its subsidies - it's the British farmers who get screwed by it. Our chancellor isn't a competent economist but even he sees that it has to be torn up.

It's perfectly logical to be pro-Europe in a climate where the EU would benefit you and your surroundings. But in Britain all we see are countless EU regulations on things like metric measurement and the number of vitamin pills people can sell in one bottle. As for the Euro argument, particularly the smaller countries are now part of a stronger currency held up by Germany and France. In the UK, whose economic interests lie mostly in the tertiary sector, and whose most influential assets are tied with financial services, the Euro is a very bad idea. The pound is already strong and hasn't really fluctuated since the disaster of the ERM.

 

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[q]free trade within the EU[/q]

Unfortunately we know what it's about - a unified Europe as one nation. Which, I should tell you, is not a popular idea here in Britland. Well, unless your name is Tony and you plan to be a key player in it.


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