[Kazan]

gank if im talking out my ass so is the American Heritage and Oxford English dictionaries

[Gank]

From the link YOU posted:
Anti-Semitism \An`ti-Sem"i*tism\, n. Opposition to, or hatred of, Semites, esp. Jews.

Sem·ite
A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semite
The man is a (half) Semite, calling him anti-semite is the wrong term.

Anywyas the remark wouldnt be anti-semite coming from anyone, its not discriminating against or derogatory towards jews, nor did he imply that jews control US media as you seem to think he did.

Btw I read somewhere that miriam webster was changing its definition of anti-semitism to opposition of Israel and/or Zionism. Ludicrious if true.

[ionia23]

quack quack quack quack

[Rictor]

Oh, the good ol' anti-Semitism smokescreen. Any criticism of Israeli is anti-Semetic, any condemnation of Israel mis anti-Semetic, any factual statement regarding the ownership of a sizeable portion of the US media by Jews is anti-Semetic.

Stop using the word so often and it might actually have some meaning.

As you can see from Gank's post, the media is owned to a large degree by Jews. Show me one American news corporation (no pun intended) that has displayed even the mildest criticism of Sharon and has questioned the legitimacy of the occupation, oppression etc.

and please, please call me anti-Semetic. Jewish on both sides, with some family members pretty active in the Jewish community worldwide.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Gank
Btw I read somewhere that miriam webster was changing its definition of anti-semitism to opposition of Israel and/or Zionism. Ludicrious if true.

True. Opposition to Zionism is now defined as anti-Semetism.

[Gank]

Ironic isnt it, the majority of Israels population arent even semites, and are are stealing land of the semites for the last 50 years, but if the arabs talk balk they're called anti-semite.

[SadisticSid]

Dunno about those pictures of US soldiers abusing prisoners, but even the BBC had an article explaining the (many) suspicious aspects of those photos of UK soldiers doing likewise.

While I'm not naive enough to believe this sort of thing never happens, if that bog-roll of a paper the Daily Mirror has faked the pictures, may it be fined for every penny it has. And nothing would please me more to see that worm Piers Morgan disgraced.

[Rictor]

Not mine, just copy+pasted for the sake of expediency

___________

We are being asked to believe that:

(1) The only abuse that occurred against anyone detained by American forces in Iraq was photographed and reported.

(2) No abuses occurred anywhere that were not photographed or reported.

(3) The one percent of US troops who are the "bad apples" all happen to serve together in the same unit... the unit that is the only one guilty, and that happened to get caught because of the photographs.

(4) The aggressive investigation now being proclaimed by everyone from George W. **** to CENTCOM, about abuses that were already on record in the military (an internal investigation had already been launched in February by Major General Antonio M. Taguba, but was kept from the public), would have happened had the photographs and story not been aired on national television.

(5) The military was not attempting to cover up their own investigation, and that they would have informed the public of these abuses even had Seymour Hersh not put the whole miserable episode into print.

(6) The military did not cover anything up in the two weeks between the time CBS warned them that they were going to air an expose and when they actually did air it.

(7) No one in the chain of command above Brigadier General Janis Karpinski is responsible for the failure to halt these abuses, even though Lieutenant General Ricardo S. Sanchez was informed of the investigation of these abuses, complete with sworn statements and photographs, by General Taguba last February.

[Rictor]

Oh, and, in case anyone is interested, the full report by Taguba can be found here, though its quite long and boring. The key points are summed up here.

[mikhael]

I know nothing about the UK soldiers.

All I know is that no one in the US State or Defense Departments are saying that this is a setup. Further, the President going on television and saying that our men did this is a pretty good indication that this isn't a set up. If there's ANYONE who would actively deny this, its the Shrub.

What kills me is that the man whose election promises included his belief in humility, refused to apologise on behalf of the nation--when 65% of the Americans thought he should. If I were President, that would have been the first thing out of my mouth.

[Liberator]

I'm still not convinced they are real.  I mean most everyone else is because the Mainstream Media(CNN, CBS, ABC, ECT) took it and ran with it.  The photos look too staged and too...convenient, for my tastes.  They look like low budget gay pr0n.

[mikhael]

What? You'll believe anything the president says--until its "too convenient" and THEN he might be wrong?

Its not just the photos. Its the photos, the US Army report, the US Army soldiers, the fact that Rumsfeld knew about it and didn't tell **** until AFTER it hit the media. I mean, all the antecedents are admitting that it happened. All of them. Not one of the people who SHOULD be denying it to cover their own asses is denying it. That's a truly disturbing thing.

[Kazan]

if you're talking about the raping by us soliders of iraqi women - it was staged porno done by the hungarians and stolen by islamic proagandists - this has been proven and the news broke earlier today

[mikhael]

No, Kaz. The video and pictures of what went on with Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghaib. Basically, it violated the Geneva Conventions and the code of honor subscribed to by the US Military.

And that's another thing. We learned that doing stuff like this is WRONG. It was part of our training in boot camp. We had several classes on the Geneva Conventions. These soldiers knew what they were doing was wrong. Even if they were ordered to do it (as the former CO of the prison claims), the orders would be unlawful. The regs are pretty clear on unlawful orders.

Its just an ugly event and I'm sorry it happened. I'm damned ashamed that it was my service-mates that perpetrated it.

[Kazan]

ok i thought you may have changed subject

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Kazan
if you're talking about the raping by us soliders of iraqi women - it was staged porno done by the hungarians and stolen by islamic proagandists - this has been proven and the news broke earlier today

Actually, Taguba's report cites examples of " A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee", and also "Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick"...

[Kazan]

im talking about the videos specifically

[Gank]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=3&u=/nm/20040507/ts_nm/iraq_abuse_video_dc_1

Seems like the videos we havent seen are worse than what we have.

[Rictor]

I wasn't going to bump the topic, but since somone else did it, here are some choice bits:

Soldiers put harness on elderly woman and rode her around like a donkey

Allegations that a 12 year old girl was tortured at Abu Ghraib

Seymour Hersh says there's plenty more evidence of abuse and torture out there

edit: also, I am without TV, so can someone fill me in as to what kind of videos have been shown?

[Mr. Vega]

Hersh? He's the same one who reported My Lai.