[an0n]

When Daniels was listing some of the races of the Federation, anyone else notice him just rattle off 'Klingon'?

And the insides of the Enterprise-J looked suspiciously Cardassian, with all that raised-quad panelling.

Thoughts?

[Liberator]

Notice he didn't say Romulans.  It's a tie between them and the Andorians for my favorite ST race.

[an0n]

Bah, the best race by far is the Breen.

While the Tzenkathi, Karemma and all those other races you hear about but never see were clamouring to ally themselves with the Dominion to ensure their own survival, the Breen signed up with the Dominion to get themselves into the war.

Unlike every other race, with the exception of the Founders and their lackeys, the Breen wanted to fight. Everyone else just got sucked in, but the Breen made a concious decision to go kick some Federation ass and grab some territory.

[Solid Snake]

I thought the federation was supposed to have a war with the romulans after or during Enterprise.  If the romulans did end up in the federation would daniels have said so and risk changing the war with the romulans?  that stupid archer captain might some how negotiate some lame peace treaty with the romulans if he throws more of that temporal cold war crap around.

I dunno... star trek kinda sucks.

[Bobboau]

as you recal at the end of the dominion war the Klingons and the federation were nearly joined at the hip allies, everything (leading up to the end of DS9 especaly) sudgests that they were going to get absorbed eventualy, and Daniels is hundreds and hundreds of years ahead of that time, talking to someone hundreds and hundreds of years before.

the archatexture of the j does seem somewhat cardasian, but that could just be becase everyone liked DS9 so much there makeing everything look like it

and I just realised that Daniels probly tipped of the Xindi that Archer was makeing that suicide run. how convenient that medal he gave him turned out to be.

[Ulala]

I think I remember seeing Archer walk up to a computer panel the size of a wall with a big ol' schematic of the ship... looked pretty standard, like a ub3r huge Constellation or something, just futurified. But, I figure we probably won't be seeing the Ent-J for a long time anyway...

[J3Vr6]

Well the episode wednesday has the enterprise fighting a future self, so that should be... interesting.

I really like enterprise, but I'm really fustrated with all this time travel temporal crap.  You don't have to pull things out of your butt to make a good story.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by J3Vr6
Well the episode wednesday has the enterprise fighting a future self, so that should be... interesting.

Heh, yes. I downloaded the trailer for the next ep and it looked quite fun Two NX-01 ships *****slapping eachother

I really like enterprise, but I'm really fustrated with all this time travel temporal crap.  You don't have to pull things out of your butt to make a good story.

Unlike the Voyager time travel (as a note, I don't consider Voyager Star Trek), The Temporal Cold War is quite interesting.

As for the next ep I think it will tie in with the temporal cold war somehow. Or else they would never have been able to time travel. Even if they are their children (you see T'Pol & Tucker's son in the preview).

[J3Vr6]

Can you guys explain what this temporal cold war is?  I mean, give me the whole background on it because I'm still a little lost.  Who are fighting in this temporal cold war?  What are the stakes?  How long has this been going on?  When did it start, blah blah balh.

[Ashrak]

federation and the other guys are fighting hehe

[Tiara]

Originally posted by J3Vr6
Can you guys explain what this temporal cold war is? I mean, give me the whole background on it because I'm still a little lost.  Who are fighting in this temporal cold war?  What are the stakes?

[/b]
It's a war between several different factions from the future. However, each faction if from a different time in the future. The two main factions are the Federation and the interdimensional Sphere-builders. In the actual future the sphere builders are beaten by the Federation when they want to convert space to suit their needs (make it habitable for them).

However, the Sphere Builders want to prevent that event and travel back in time to do so. They want to eliminate Archer because somehow he is an integral part in the road that leads to the foudation of the Federation itself. Without him, no Federation and the road is clear for the Spere builders.

How long has this been going on?  When did it start, blah blah balh.

It's a temporal war. There is no set ending and/or beginning. Thats temporal mechanics for ya

[an0n]

The Sphere Builders didn't travel back in time, they can see into the future.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by an0n
The Sphere Builders didn't travel back in time, they can see into the future.

True. My bad. They do have some sort of advanced holographic communication through time though.

That, however, suggests that the Suliban are being influenced by a different faction as they seem to posses only limited holo-communication technology. That makes a total of 4 factions at my count.

- The ones influencing the Suliban.
- The ones that influenced the Tholians to go after that timeship Enterprise found. Obviously not the Suliban faction as they attacked Suliban vessels. Also not the Starfleet faction as they attacked the Enterprise. they could be influenced by the sphere builders but somehow I doubt that.
- The Federation faction
- Sphere builders.

I think that after the Xindi plot (or even during) things will get a whole lot more interesting then they already are.

[Carl]

i don't think the guys from the future that are talking to the suliban are in any way related to the sphere builders. they told archer to stop the xindi from destroying earth, while the sphere builders started the whole thing.

[Liberator]

Did anyone else think those Tholian ships rocked?

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Carl
i don't think the guys from the future that are talking to the suliban are in any way related to the sphere builders. they told archer to stop the xindi from destroying earth, while the sphere builders started the whole thing.

You got a good point there.

And Lib: Hell yeah

[Ace]

I have a gut feeling the Tholians are their own faction entirely, and they're not taking direction from anyone else. It would fit with their being insular and territorial. (only meddling with time when it protects their own interests)

[J3Vr6]

Oh, so this whole temporal cold war is something that's only been going on in Enterprise.  I gotcha.  I thought this thing was spanning several shows, like it was somesort of  theme or dealt with a broad timeline in Star Trek.

I kept wondering if there was something I was missing in the story since I really didn't watch the other ST shows.

But, with all this happening on the first show (Enterprise, first being that it's the first Enterprise to ship out and before all the other shows in terms of timeline) doesn't it kinda skew what will eventually happen in the next shows (Kirk, Next Generation, DS9, Voyager)... shows that have already happened (since they were already aired)?

I love Enterprise but this whole time travel thing is weak.

[an0n]

The Tholians have always been one of the stranger races of the Trek universe. It's entire possible they're working on their own.

The Federation is obviously another faction.

The Sphere Builders are another.

And then there's the Suliban and the Shadowy guy. It'd make most sense for him to be Romulan or Cardassian. They both took one hell of a pounding during the Dominion War and weakening the Federation would mean the Romulans would never enter the war and the Cardassians would be better off, but having the Federation still around to fight would also mean the Dominion still needed them as allies. And weakening the Federation would also cripple the Klingon Empire after Praxis exploded. He also wanted Archer alive, and we know that a dead Archer means a victory for the Sphere Builders.

[Tiara]

And the plot thickens