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In a way we still use Gothic thinking, cathedrals were built to remind worshippers that 'God is big and you are small'.  I see many of these skyscrapers in a similar light, 'The Company is big and you are small'. I suppose my problem is that you can kill the Director, you can kill the whole controlling board, but you just can't kill the corporation or it's ideals or motives, at least, not with bombs and guns. All you can kill with those are people :(


You need to kill it with ideals that people can relate too and actually mean something rather than the false ideals that these corporations represent. Hard to explain what I mean and I'll be ****ed if I know what those ideals actually are.
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Originally posted by Styxx


If someone fires warning shots ordering you to stop, in the middle of a warzone, and you decide not to stop, you really should expect being shot at for real, you know.

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If you were in a car in a middle of a warzone and somebody started shooting at you would you stop to see what they want? Besides:

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There was an incident with one of the cars. We shot an individual with his hands up. He got out of the car. He was badly shot. We lit him up. I don't know who started shooting first. One of the Marines came running over to where we were and said: "You all just shot a guy with his hands up." Man, I forgot about this.


Just in case anybody thinks this guy is a fake:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/war.nsf/0/C521416C97C3443586256CFA0029028F?OpenDocument
And when hes reffering to icbms I think he means icms, improvised conventional munitions as apposed to intercontinental ballistic missiles.
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Yeah, I was wondering about that ICBM thing.

Anyway, I'll put in my 2 pence of checkpoint experience. When you have temporary or improvised checkpoints, like all the American ones in Iraq, or like the surprise checkpoints the IDF sets up for an hour or so in-between Palestinian villages, you have to be extra careful about visibility. You want the approaching vehicles to be able to see you easily, with plenty of time to stop, but not so easily or from so far away that they can just turn around 400 meters away and run.

As for the rules of engagement at checkpoints, I don't know what the Americans were told to do or not do. But they have much less experience than Israel at that kind of thing, so Israel's rules are more fine-tuned and "friendly", if you will.

The ONLY circumstances where I, as a soldier manning a checkpoint, would be allowed to open fire at a vehicle were either if the vehicle made or was making an obvious attempt to run a soldier over, or if shots were being fired at us from a vehicle. That's it.

If a vehicle ran through a checkpoint, we were told never to open fire, but to radio the incident in to forces further on, who would be able to intercept the vehicle and find out whether they guy was merely half-drunk and didn't see us signalling him to stop, or if it was a terrorist, or whatever.

Once a suspicious vehicle is stopped, and we want to thoroughly check the occupants, we keep a safe distance from the vehicle (10-15 meters or so), and have the people leave the vehicle. The men are told to pull up their shirts and jackets so we can confirm that they are not wearing an explosive belt, and the women are told to flatten their clothing against their body, so we can see any suspicious bulges.

Anyway, that's pretty much it for IDF checkpoint behavior in checking vehicles. American forces could stand to learn a thing or two from us - it's just a shame that we are so experienced. :doubt:
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Originally posted by Gank
If you were in a car in a middle of a warzone and somebody started shooting at you would you stop to see what they want? Besides...


I wouldn't be in a car in the middle of a warzone. :p
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[q]women are told to flatten their clothing against their body, so we can see any suspicious bulges.[/q]

*giggles inappropriately*
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Originally posted by vyper
[q]women are told to flatten their clothing against their body, so we can see any suspicious bulges.[/q]

*giggles inappropriately*


I knew someone would jump on that one. I just knew it. :rolleyes:
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IFD Soldier: ON YOUR KNEES! WE CAN SEE A BULGE! Mike, we've got another cross dresser, better call Sharon and let him know the peace treaty is off again.

Yes, I am being childish. I am also drowing in a  sea of paperwork for my degree right now.
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Originally posted by ionia23


You know, the more I think about this whole Iraq thing, the more I remember that scene in Disney's "Fantasia",'The Sorcerer's Apprentice'.  The part where Mickey tries to kill the broom and it splits into two, four, eight, etc.

I keep wondering, where's the damned wizard already????



I'd say **** and friends. :D
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So, when does an0n post a retraction since it looks like this wasn't an Iraqi wedding after all?
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Que pas?

Can you linky to a piece that has some proof it wasn't? I've seen nothing like that yet, though I admit I just woke up and haven't checked the news yet.

 

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Originally posted by Shrike
So, when does an0n post a retraction since it looks like this wasn't an Iraqi wedding after all?
I've been ignoring the thread in favour of the Rafah and UN ones, so I's not really gives a ****s if I wuz misinformed.
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[color=66ff00]It was an impressive thread title if nothing else.
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He had a fair chance of being right so, let's let him away with it.
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Offline Rictor

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yeah, I don't know where everyone is this from, that there was no wedding. What I have heard until now is that there is conflicting testomony, between what the Army says and what the witnesses say (and what is recorded on film+what evidence suggests).

One of Iraq's most famous wedding singers was present, with all his equipment. Now, something like that, if that doesn't scream wedding I don't know what does. Or maybe he's in cahoots with the ter'rists :nervous: :nervous:

 

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Originally posted by Gank
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1221658,00.html
Anons title was right on target.

[color=66ff00]The thre edged sword scenario methinks.

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Offline Gank

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Seeing how one side has video evidence, funerals and eyewitness accounts to back it up and the other side has nothing but its word which only a bigoted fool would accept at face value after the last year I think the truth is closer to the Iraqis here.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20040523/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack_5

 

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agreed. But videos can be doctored very easily these days... and concerning the US, I wouldn't trust Iraqi eye witnesses as far as I could throw them. But it does kind of seem oddly stacked in the favor of the Iraqis. Now if they could just learn some diplomacy (i.e. not cutting people's heads off and releasing the tape to the media), people might start actually vouching for them.

 

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Originally posted by Reez
agreed. But videos can be doctored very easily these days... and concerning the US, I wouldn't trust Iraqi eye witnesses as far as I could throw them. But it does kind of seem oddly stacked in the favor of the Iraqis. Now if they could just learn some diplomacy (i.e. not cutting people's heads off and releasing the tape to the media), people might start actually vouching for them.


Just because a handful of people does something bad, doesn't mean that they represent all of their people.

If you go by that theory, then all americans like and support Bush, and support the war in Iraq.

 

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well, polls show that at the time, most did. But thats beside the point.

the US has the tapes of the incident. All aerial vehicles would have a gun-cam, all the army needs to do to vindicate itself is release the tape. But obviously, it shows something damning, so they're not releasing ing.