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Offline Reez

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Reply #40 on: May 21, 2004, 12:04:08 pm
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Remind me again why Israel needs to clear the Palestinian side of the border instead of just moving their own **** back.


Cuz the military division is looking at the map upside-down. The poor ministers think that everything in the east belongs to them too.
 

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Reply #41 on: May 21, 2004, 05:15:48 pm
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Remind me again why Israel needs to clear the Palestinian side of the border instead of just moving their own **** back.


The Philadelphia road is the one I patrolled along last year. It is basically the Israeli-Egyptian border. As you drive along the road northwards, you have about 5 meters away to your left the international border fence, and on the right, a fence between Israel and the Gaza Strip, with a clear strip that varies in width between about 20-100 meters wide beyond that fence before the closest Gaza structures.

So, Israel has no "****" to move back. It's Egyptian soil.

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Offline Reez

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Reply #42 on: May 21, 2004, 05:37:05 pm
I think what an0n meant was to move their armies back from occupation zones into their own territory, rather than walking backwards into Egypt.
 

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Reply #43 on: May 21, 2004, 05:44:53 pm
Sandwich, take a gander at this. And no, I'm not posting it just to be a bastard, however much it may seem to the contrary.

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Reply #44 on: May 21, 2004, 05:45:05 pm
What an0n meant was: One of the blatant lies Israel recites as a reason why they need to exterminate thousands of homes is because the militants use them and their demolition creates a large buffer-zone in which to defend Israeli territory.

Why not pull all their **** back 20 miles instead of ploughing through 20 miles of Palestinian homes?
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Reply #45 on: May 21, 2004, 05:45:15 pm
I thought he was refering to the demolition of Rafah, but that is just what this topic is about...
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Reply #46 on: May 21, 2004, 05:48:55 pm
anon: 20 miles? are you kidding? Israel proper is barely 20 miles wide. The "buffer" zone that Israel seeks to create would be 300-400 meters, though thats still thousands of homes.
 

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Reply #47 on: May 21, 2004, 05:52:14 pm
I was exaggerating. Like when I use words such as 'annihilate' and 'plough'. It's done to create a false sense of the grandios.

Goebbels knows what I'm talking about.
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Reply #48 on: May 21, 2004, 11:41:35 pm
Hyperbole, when used skillfully, can be the most effective type of figure of speech.
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Reply #49 on: May 21, 2004, 11:56:35 pm
20 miles is quite the exaggeration though
 

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Reply #50 on: May 22, 2004, 12:15:21 am
In talking specifically about Rafah, there is nowhere Israel can pull back to in the interests of a security corridor. See attached sattelite map for detailed overview of Rafah area. ;)
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Reply #51 on: May 22, 2004, 12:32:39 am
um... then how is knocking over an entire Palestinean village worth that? I mean... it's 100 meters wide... and if you're gonna knock their town down... maybe you should buy the land from them? Or at least build them a new town that's a nice distance away?
 

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Reply #52 on: May 22, 2004, 06:17:43 am
no, that would be nice
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Reply #53 on: May 22, 2004, 06:47:16 am
Where does that road go anyway that it's so important?
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Reply #54 on: May 22, 2004, 07:57:57 am
I bet it's not Philadelphia anyway.
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Reply #55 on: May 22, 2004, 10:07:10 am
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Reply #56 on: May 22, 2004, 10:38:03 am
I think the entire point of the Israelis keeping that strip of land by the Philly road is to stop arms and such from entering Gaza from Egypt. Withdrawing from that area would only make such passage even easier.

Of course, Israel made a huge blunder when it gave the Sinai back to Egypt but didn't make the Egyptians take Gaza as well. I think it would have been one less headache had Gaza been a part of the deal.
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Reply #57 on: May 22, 2004, 12:18:21 pm
Well, spoils of war, you know.

and for strict accuracy, I've always seen it reffered to as Philadelpi road, no "a". But Sandiwch probably know this better than me, seeing as how he's actually been there.

But the point is, the tunnels don't smuggle in only weapons. The also smuggle in food, medicine, cigarettes and all sorts of day-to-day goods. And leaving thousands homeless, knowing they are damn well NOT responsible for any smuggling is wrong. They are innocents, why do they deserve to suffer because Israel wants to expand the buffer zone?
 

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Reply #58 on: May 22, 2004, 12:23:56 pm
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and for strict accuracy, I've always seen it reffered to as Philadelpi road, no "a". But Sandiwch probably know this better than me, seeing as how he's actually been there.


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Reply #59 on: May 22, 2004, 01:44:07 pm
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Well, spoils of war, you know.
Spoils of war? Why the hell Israel kept Gaza is beyond me. Why would anyone want to keep spoils of war like that?

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