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Offline Janos

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Type 98, details on it are sketchy but janes says its better and thats good enough for me.


No.

I believe that you meant this tank, which is only at prototype stage. Check out FCS and T-95 for comparison.
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At the heart of capitalism lies China....because everything is "Made in China". I doubt the two could go to war...it'd be crippling to both.


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Offline Gank

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Originally posted by Janos


No.

I believe that you meant this tank, which is only at prototype stage. Check out FCS and T-95 for comparison.


Ya, getting my wires crossed. T-95 would probably compare favourably but I cant really see the fcs entering service.

Btw, worldnetdailys a christian fundie site, I wouldnt take articles on there too seriously.
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Because their dislike for godless commie chinks colours their writing a bit.

 

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Even with nukes, America wouldn't stand a chance.
The only reason people are afraid of America and not of China is that the Chinese aren't overly trigger-happy.

 

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[color=66ff00]Someone posted on /. with the topic header 'USA = China lite'.

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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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let's be serious: there's no way that China could win against the US at this time.

Theby may have a big army but it's not going anywhere. Not even to Taiwan.

The US, on the other hand, can get 1 or more Carrier groups in the area in a matter of weeks. Enough to gain airsuperiority.

And to cripple China you don't need to occupy all of it. Just the pacific coast should do enough, as most of the infrastructure is there.

And should thinkg get out of hand and nukes are fired: China can flatten some cities, which is very annoying. The US can flatten China, which is victory.
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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
let's be serious: there's no way that China could win against the US at this time.

It depends on where the conflict would be fought, Chinas in no position to invade the US but on mainland asia the US would get raped.
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Theby may have a big army but it's not going anywhere. Not even to Taiwan.

:wtf:  China could capture Tiawan in a day.
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The US, on the other hand, can get 1 or more Carrier groups in the area in a matter of weeks. Enough to gain airsuperiority.

One carrier group is not going to get anything like airsuperiority over China, most likely it'd just get sunk very fast. A carrier carrys 80 odd planes, PRC has thousands, not to mention the Brahmos and Yahkonts they're trying to get their hands on. A couple of dozen of those in their inventory and the US wont be sending carriers anywhere near china.
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And to cripple China you don't need to occupy all of it. Just the pacific coast should do enough, as most of the infrastructure is there.

Thats what Hitler thought when he invaded Russia, crafty russians just moved the infrastructure.
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And should thinkg get out of hand and nukes are fired: China can flatten some cities, which is very annoying. The US can flatten China, which is victory.

The US flattens an area the size of China and fallout will kill off most of the world, thats not victory its suicide.

 
better start saving up for those fallout shelters then..
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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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It depends on where the conflict would be fought, Chinas in no position to invade the US but on mainland asia the US would get raped.


You're underestimating the american military. It might be hard, but the US woudln't get 'raped'

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:wtf:  China could capture Tiawan in a day.
 


and how would they get their troops over there?
They don't have the transport capabilities. Not the mention the fact that the US would interfere.

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gankOne carrier group is not going to get anything like airsuperiority over China, most likely it'd just get sunk very fast. A carrier carrys 80 odd planes, PRC has thousands, not to mention the Brahmos and Yahkonts they're trying to get their hands on. A couple of dozen of those in their inventory and the US wont be sending carriers anywhere near china.


It's china we're talking about. The country can't even give correct numbers regarding their economy (they feel the need to spice up as propaganda) so I'd be at least sceptical about their military.
Then there's the fact that US has a big carrier nearby, called Japan.

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gankThats what Hitler thought when he invaded Russia, crafty russians just moved the infrastructure.


WW2 is over. Not to mention the fact that Russia got help from the US in the form of Lend-Lease. china wouldn't get that.
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and how would they get their troops over there?
They don't have the transport capabilities. Not the mention the fact that the US would interfere.


USA would not interfere Because they don't want start war with country like china one of largest military power in World
If USA Try invade USA forces get Their Asses Kicked
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China has nothing like the sort of shipping required to mount an effective invasion of Taiwan.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/navy.htm

With 40 odd true amphibs, they aren't going to be getting much of that huge army across the straight, unless they plan on packing them into various frieghters and the like... :)

Taiwan has a standing army of 200,000, not to mention 1.5 million reservists, all trained specifically to repel a Chinese invasion. Without a huge increase in amphibious shipping and marines, China would be acheiving little more than putting its ships and men into a meatgrinder trying to invade.

Note too that China has no Brahmos or Yakhonts at present, they have merely been offered for installation on its two destroyers ordered from Russia. These ships are still under construction. Even when completed, that will give the Chinese a total of two ships equipped with Yakhont. At present China has two -- count 'em -- two modern destroyers (the US has about 80). Lets also consider China's 'ultramodern' SSN fleet (5 ships):

"The Han-class SSNs are noted for problems, including high internal radiation levels and an inability to fire missiles while submerged, which compromise their operational effectiveness and their wartime utility against ASW-competent adversaries. The lead boats (401 & 402?) suffered radiation problems which were thought to have been solved after extensive refit. But since the late 1990s they appeared to have become inoperational. According to some reports, as of 2000 only two of its Han-class SSNs remained operational, despite the extended re-fits to the units of this class. "

Source :http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/type-91.htm

China's solitary SSBN is no longer operational, either.

As for China's air force, where is it going to acquire all the ramp space near Taiwan to get even the smallest fraction of its aircraft in the air at one time? Most of China's aircraft will be low on feul the minute they even reach Taiwan. They have acquired 40 Su-27s and plan to build more, but this is still very much a future threat.

There is certainly no need for anyone to lose any sleep worrying about a Chinese invasion of Taiwan; the Taiwanese could probably stop it themselves without any aid from the US at all.
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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
You're underestimating the american military. It might be hard, but the US woudln't get 'raped'

You're overestimating it, US has zero chance of success in an invasion of China.
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and how would they get their troops over there?
They don't have the transport capabilities. Not the mention the fact that the US would interfere.

Of course they have the transport capability, stop talking nonsense. Its amphibious forces are limited, not non-existant.
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It's china we're talking about. The country can't even give correct numbers regarding their economy (they feel the need to spice up as propaganda) so I'd be at least sceptical about their military.
Then there's the fact that US has a big carrier nearby, called Japan.

Thats not a fact thats an assumption, Japan is a not a part of the US and theres no guarantee they'd let US forces operate from there. Whatever about Chinas long range missile capabilitys, it certainly has enough shortrange to make a mess of Japan and given Japans actions in China 60 years ago I'd say they'd be more than willing to do that. As for its spicing up economy figures, every government does that, including the US. Hardly propaganda.
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WW2 is over. Not to mention the fact that Russia got help from the US in the form of Lend-Lease. china wouldn't get that.

:rolleyes: The fact that ww2 is over and america helped russia with lendlease have no bearing on what was said.