[diamondgeezer]

Vyper, try this thread

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Darkage




Yes big b00bies are g00d!

[color=66ff00]I like the small, hand sized ones.

Anyhow, I decided not to watch the murder; I don't believe it would make me change my mind about the whole affair.
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[Fineus]

Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]the murder[/color]

It's not a murder, it's a pacification .

[Bobboau]

the guy was holding up an RPG, pointing it at something I don't think that qualifys this as a murder.

[Fineus]

I'd feel more comfortable about it if I knew what he was holding it up at... also why he was crouching in the middle of a street. If I knew there were enemy troops in the area I wouldn't crouch and prepare to fire in plain sight.

Point is - I'm not saying he wasn't trying to kill someone else. I'm saying that what's left out could change the circumstances.

[Gloriano]

Watched that clip,I can only say Iraq is war zone
that soldier did only eliminate his targer

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]There's not a lot of point playing it down to make it seem less horrible.

Anyhow, dictionary:

mur·der    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (mûrdr)
n.

1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.

I would assume that this killing would not be seen as lawful (it is a war afterall) and was premeditated as the person who shot him was ordered to 'kill the enemy'.

I'm just using the term that seems most appropriate for the event.
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[Tiara]

Yes, it was a flock of crows! He was aiming at a flock of damned crows! He was attempting murder!!!


:D

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]Well he might have been aiming into traffic...
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[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Kalfireth
I'd feel more comfortable about it if I knew what he was holding it up at... also why he was crouching in the middle of a street. If I knew there were enemy troops in the area I wouldn't crouch and prepare to fire in plain sight.

Point is - I'm not saying he wasn't trying to kill someone else. I'm saying that what's left out could change the circumstances.

He was probably crouched so he could have better balance/aim when firing the rocket.

Maeg: Watch the damn video before you choose to be so judgemental on the situation. He's aiming an RPG at something. You expect the troops to wait until he fires to see if he has good intentions or not? Yeah, he was killed, and that sucks, but he's holding a goddamned RPG.

[diamondgeezer]

You lot have derailed a perfectly good discussion on boobies. I hope you're happy

[Tiara]

Meh, I see them every day

[diamondgeezer]

I envy you so much it's untrue. You just have to look down...

[Flipside]

LOL I do to, though I must admit, I'm not sure how long I'd survive if I thought about looking at more

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
Maeg: Watch the damn video before you choose to be so judgemental on the situation. He's aiming an RPG at something. You expect the troops to wait until he fires to see if he has good intentions or not? Yeah, he was killed, and that sucks, but he's holding a goddamned RPG.

[color=66FF00]I never made any suggestiomn that any of it was good or bad other than the fundamental level where any loss of life for any cause is bad.

I'm confused; do you and Bob think I'm taking someone's side here? I most definately am not.

As for the troops waiting; that's not exactly a sensible argument, a person with an RPG has nothing but bad intentions. If it's my use of the word murder then I'm also confused as it seems to me to be the best word to fit, not for any moral reason but simply that it describes what happened.

What's your beef?
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[Flipside]

I've always wondered about the phrase 'unlawful killing', because it begs a juxtapostition of 'lawful killing', and therefore a whole set of cirumstances in which taking someones life can be 'justified'.

It is Murder, it's Murder to prevent Murder. Not an easy word to use, I know, and that doesn't make the people who killed him bad. But it does not make the act any less than it is. It is just sad that it always seems to boil down to blood on the streets, and the people least involved being the most disrupted. A whole country filled with murder from one border to the opposite, and not the only one at the moment

You always believe that your own generation is going to learn from the mistakes of the last one, and yet we always go boldly forth and compound them.

[Bobboau]

it isn't murder if you are killing to save life, it is murder if your killing to take life, the killing sown was not murder becase the guy killed was aiming an RPG at someone, had the man not been killed then one or more other people would hae died as consequence of the innaction.

"think I'm taking someone's side here" I do beleive you were the first person to use the word murder to describe the video, as you may be aware the word murder has a certan negitive conotation with it, calling the act murder immpys that the people fireing were murderers, and calling someone a murderer is generaly takeing a side.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Bobboau
it isn't murder if you are killing to save life, it is murder if your killing to take life, the killing sown was not murder becase the guy killed was aiming an RPG at someone, had the man not been killed then one or more other people would hae died as consequence of the innaction.

"think I'm taking someone's side here" I do beleive you were the first person to use the word murder to describe the video, as you may be aware the word murder has a certan negitive conotation with it, calling the act murder immpys that the people fireing were murderers, and calling someone a murderer is generaly takeing a side.

[color=66ff00]Even though I stated the dictionary description of the term?
Of course it has a negative connotation, I'm very very sure the guy pointing the RPG would have issues with someone attempting to kill him just because he is attempting to fight for what he believes in (saving the lives of his comrades). As it has been stated before and I ask anyone to argue against it:
In war there are no innocents.
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[Bobboau]

if he'd have killed a bunch of US troops I'd have likely called the act a killing."(saving the lives of his comrades)"

unless he was shooting at random Iraqi people in the street in fact becase it's a war zone, just about anyone he kills wouldn't be murder. though these (the guys with guns in Iraq, blowing up car bombs and the like) people generaly do kill random Iraqis in the street, and as far as I can tell it seems like it's somewhat intentional, wich is why I don't go after people for calling them muderers.

[Knight Templar]

Calling it murder is my beef, for the reasons Bob stated. Sure, you can describe war as a loss of innocence for the people fighting it, but I don't think that makes soldiers murderers. Not in the way you would use the word murder to describe someone in everyday life. Killing some lady in her house beacuse you don't like her, or want to steal her money is murder. Shooting a resistance fighter who has an RPG pointed at your base/convoy/platoon/you is defense. If you want to through around murder in a setting of war, use it on Commanders, who kill civilians, not the soldiers who are forced to carry out their day to day orders and/or defending themselves.

Originally posted by Tiara
Meh, I see them every day

I think I officially don't like you. That's just not fair.