[Martinus]

Originally posted by Carl
just as well. with quantum teleportation, you don't actually go anywhere. a copy of you is made, and the original is killed.

[color=66ff00]That entirely depends on the nature of that little black box known as the soul.

If science is right then your soul is simply your neural connections and thus if you replicate them somewhere else then where the body is, the soul is.

Of course that's a big assumption.

Still, you make a sweeping statement about something there's no way you can be sure about Trashman, I hate to sound like Kazan here but where's your proof? There's no evidence that dictates that people cannot be transported, our bodies are built of atoms so the possibility exists.

Personally I look forward to teleportation mail ordering.
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[Martinus]

Originally posted by Sandwich


No offense, but that's bull. Not just ST specifically, but sci-fi in general is responsible for the original ideas that lead to numerous scientific breakthroughs. Don't diss sci-fi - it's more accurate than you may think (although the timing is generally way off ).

[color=66ff00]It seems to me that old sci-fi had more of an effect on science than new sci-fi. With a few exceptions new sci-fi tries to blind the audience with 'clever' technobabble and overthought scientific nuances. (ST:VOY is a prime example of this).

Old sci-fi just took cool ideas like communicators and faster than light drives, didn't kill itself on the details, and let the scientists ask the question: "gee guys, do you think we can do this?".
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[Liberator]

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
*waits another 20 years for an ansible network to be established*

What do we need an ansible network for? We don't have any space colonies...

Beam me up, Scotty!

[Gortef]

w00f!

[Tiara]

Originally posted by StratComm
Any research into "Star Trek Science" is a complete waste of time.  You'll learn more useful information by reading an 11th grade Physics textbook, and you won't have to contend with factual stretches at all.

Bio computers? Done in ST, then done in real life.

Energy weapons? Done in ST, done in real life.

Teleportation? Done in ST, done in real life.

Etc etc.

Not that any of the technology is of practical use yet but it's all still in a very infantile stage.

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by Maeglamor
That entirely depends on the nature of that little black box known as the soul.

If science is right then your soul is simply your neural connections and thus if you replicate them somewhere else then where the body is, the soul is.

Of course that's a big assumption.

Erm....wrong...they don't say that for soul, but rather for tought.
And tough is not just emp pulses or energy, but rather electrons reacting with neurons... The biological component AND energy together... (so no energy beeings...HATED that in ST)

And let's assume you actually can copy every atom in the body...thus you can replicate the brain. But can you replecate the energy pulses in the brain itself (those are NOT atoms...)

Thus, will the "other you" that appears on the other transporter pad be you, a lifless slupm of flesh, or a copy that is NOT you(has different toughts or none of you memories)?????

[Tiara]

Meh, if they find a way to tranport inanimate objects in my lifetime I'm happy

[Falcon]

Teleportation would be good...... Replicators would be better.... *Computer give me an AK-47 and some tea earl gray hot please*

[Black Wolf]

One thing that pissed me off in Star Trek. Picard proved the Borg got their arses kicked by Projectile weapons on the holodeck. And yet, the Federation never replicated any projectile weapons for use against them. Personally, I don;t think the federation are particularly bright.

[Falcon]

Originally posted by Black Wolf
One thing that pissed me off in Star Trek. Picard proved the Borg got their arses kicked by Projectile weapons on the holodeck. And yet, the Federation never replicated any projectile weapons for use against them. Personally, I don;t think the federation are particularly bright.

Exactly..... but then it would have been all to easy..... *Worf comes out holding a minigun in his hands mowing away the countless borg that threaten the Federation*

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Black Wolf
One thing that pissed me off in Star Trek. Picard proved the Borg got their arses kicked by Projectile weapons on the holodeck. And yet, the Federation never replicated any projectile weapons for use against them. Personally, I don;t think the federation are particularly bright.

Yes... it's kind of odd that the Borg, in all the infinite vastness as an empire and force of nature, have never been stopped by a race that happens to use mass drivers, or particle accelerators, or plain old fire arms instead of phasers and disruptors and 'fancy guns' ... You think one of the 10,000 races in Star Trek would have tried that.

[Admiral LSD]

Actually the federation have made at least one projectile weapon it was mentioned in that DS9 episode with the Vulcan guy who was killing people and in order to find him Ezri had to draw on that psycho guy who once hosted Dax. It was designed for environments where regular phasers wouldn't work but Starfleet abandoned it in favour of regenerative phaser howevers they left replicator plans for it in the database so anyone with sufficient security clearance could replicate it (which was how both the Vulcan guy and O'Brien were able to get  it).

[Knight Templar]

So what's with them not installing them as standard issue on every Starfleet vessel for when the Borg happen to come back?

[diamondgeezer]

Starfleet must have graduated from the same school as FS' Command Dude

What they ought to do is have a Defiant-class named Alpha One and watch the cubes die in droves

[Tiara]

Holodeck = photons = energy = NOT KINETIC ENERGY

The Federation has projectile weapons (as seen in DS9). They really aren't stupid enough not to use them if they would be effective.

And i'm still pissed at that damned Spanish refferee

[diamondgeezer]

Ha ha. ****ing legendary game. Nice one Czechs

[Tiara]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Ha ha. ****ing legendary game. Nice one Czechs

*****

[ChronoReverse]

Erm, actually, the Holodeck includes replicators that create real object to interact with as well.  Therefore, those Tommy Guns "could" have been firing real projectiles if the holodeck program decided to do so with the safeties off.  Of course, they don't actually tell us


In any case, I was of the impression that the Borg drones were killed because they were adapted for phasers and not projectiles.  That's why Picard and Co had to hightail it after killing the drones since the next wave would probably have adapted to the tommy guns.



And this isn't even teleportation.  They just replicated the state of a particle onto another particle.  If anything, it'll be a thought experiment to decide whether the copy will be "living" and "thinking".

A thought experiment since it'll never happen within our lifetimes.

[Knight Templar]

How would they 'adapt' to projectile weapons?