[Petrarch of the VBB]

I like your thinking.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Moonsword
Perhaps we should do that with Sharon and whoever is heading the rebels.

I don't think the Palestinians really have much of a leader of any sort at this point...

[Rictor]

I'm sure Sandwich must really appreciate all this; thinking up ways to destroy an entire people, his people...

When will you people learn, this ain't your business. It is tempting to say "they are incapable of resolving it themselves, so it falls to us", but really, interference in such affairs has a long history of  failure, and only throws fuel on the fire.

Let them kill each other, love each other, tickle each other to death if thats what it takes, but I don't see how anyone has the authority to impose a "solution", particularly of the kind that is being discussed here.

Yes, most of you are kidding, but ir reflects the mentality that is present here and pretty much everywhere else, that Group A has the authority to be the globo-cops, serving as a parents to soolve disputes between querreling children. The US thinks they are that group, some people think the UN is that group, others think they are that group. Guys, tough ****, no such group exists, nor should it.

It is a bit pretenious to think that you know whats best for everyone else, eh?

[Flipside]

I think you'll find people are indulging in a bit of mindless fun, it's a favourite pastime on here if you hadn't noticed

I don't think anyone genuinely wants to wall these people in, simply trying to make light of what is fast becoming a distressing situation for people who may not be part of the problem, but will sure be involved if the solution isn't peaceful, i.e. Everyone. but when the walls of political correctness are more constricting than the wall they just joked about, you know something is wrong

[Gank]

Originally posted by Moonsword
It's not even offensive or Anti-Semitic:
Question: Where's the safest place in the world to be a Jew?
Answer: Northern Ireland, the Christians are too busy killing each other off to care about the Jews.

Old joke over here, boy is walking down in alley in Belfast when he gets knocked down, looks up to see a gun pointed at his face. Hes asked "what are ye, cath or a prod? Guy thinks fast, knowing either answer could get him shot and says hes a Bosnian. Gunman says "I must be the luckiest ****ing Serb in the whole of Belfast"
Seriously though neither are really safe up there, there was a lot of co-operation between PLO and IRA in the past and I know of at least one IRA man who actually fought in the Leb for a palestinian group. Dont think the Israelis have done anything for the unionists but they've adopted them as their side anyways.  Norths pretty racist anyways so anyone a bit tanned is likely to get a bit of flak up there anyways.

Originally posted by Rictor
It is a bit pretenious to think that you know whats best for everyone else, eh?

Coming from someone who posts a political topic every couple of minutes thats a bit hypocritical maybe?

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Rictor
It is a bit pretenious to think that you know whats best for everyone else, eh?

Not if you beleive in the power of Jesus.


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[Rictor]

Gank: ah, but you see, there is a difference between talk and action. Discussion is one thing, and in my opinion any sort of discussion on  problematic issues can only be beneficial. But I would never support imposing a solution on a group on people unless they agreed to it.

If Isrealis/Palestinians want to kick the crap out of each other, thats fine. My concern is for those who live in the region, but are innocent of any actual crimes against the other side. Civilians, so to speak. In my opinion, they no more deserve punuishment of any sort than a Siberian or a German.

[jdjtcagle]

Originally posted by Black Wolf
Didn't you know? They're only doing it because the British MPs are helping the Palestinians get weapons out of Egypt.

The more I hear about israel the more ****ed up it seems.

http://www.humanityonhold.com/intifada.html

[vyper]

Originally posted by Flipside
I think you'll find people are indulging in a bit of mindless fun, it's a favourite pastime on here if you hadn't noticed

I don't think anyone genuinely wants to wall these people in

I was joking until they shot at elected British officials/British Subjects.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Moonsword
Perhaps we should do that with Sharon and whoever is heading the rebels.

Ahhh...now there's the problem, isn't it? There's no one head man who's got control over all the Palestinians. And don't anybody say it's Arafat, because that's utter crap.

[Genryu]

Well, if the guy could get out of his headquarters without having to worry about missiles/submachine guns/sniper/bulldozers....
Just maybe he could lead the country where he was elected a lil' better, don't you think ? I don't endorse him, he was a terroristat first after all. But I still think Israel is worse. At least the palestinian killers aren't endorsed by their own governement...

[Gank]

Originally posted by Genryu
I don't endorse him, he was a terroristat first after all. But I still think Israel is worse.

So were Sharon, Netanyahu and Begin to name a few.

[Rictor]

Incidentally, the webstie mentions that an Israeli PM (before he became PM) sanctioned the assassination attempt on a UN representative. Who would that be?

[Gank]

Folke Bernadotte I would say, order came from Shamir iirc. Interesting question not posed by that website:
Which is the only nation in the world to elect a leader found guilty of war crimes by his own country:
Israel.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Genryu
Well, if the guy could get out of his headquarters without having to worry about missiles/submachine guns/sniper/bulldozers....
Just maybe he could lead the country where he was elected a lil' better, don't you think ? I don't endorse him, he was a terroristat first after all. But I still think Israel is worse. At least the palestinian killers aren't endorsed by their own governement...

It doesn't matter where he is. The point is that the Palestinian people don't support him all that much. Some do, but not so many. The people don't have a leader who speaks for them.
Call me a hypocrite because our president doesn't necessarily represent everyone's ideas in this country, but Arafat has nothing to do with democracy and that's the main difference. When the Palestinians have a democratically-elected leader, then something will be able to be done. Until then, Arafat will just slow down the peace process.

[Genryu]

AFAIK, Arafat was democratically elected, which is why Israel hasn't yet offed him, there would be too much political fallout.

[Tiara]

Democratically elected does not mean that he actually is a democratic person...

[Rictor]

I think Arafat has the support (to some degree) of most of the Palestinian people. Israel easily had him within their grasp, several times in the past few years in fact. If they wanted him dead, he was a tank shell away from being so, but I think they figured it would cause more harm than good. Sure, the PA doesn't hold absolute power among the Palestinians, but I think its certainly one of the more powerful factions.

Democracy isn't the biggest issue I would imagine. When you're under occupation from a foreign power, and have been that way for years and years, the main priority I think would be kicking them out. Do that, and then afterwards you can worry about internal politics.

[Genryu]

Originally posted by Tiara
Democratically elected does not mean that he actually is a democratic person...

You only have to look at Bush to be aware of that fact .
Joking asides, as Rictor said, the fact he was elected means that he was chosen by the Palestinians to represents them.

[an0n]

Or Hitler.

Hitler was almost democratically elected. If not for the killings and intimidation, it'd've been a perfectly legal election.