[MatthewPapa]

As long as they hire some of the same writers and artists FS3 should be allright.

[Cyker]

Y'know Sek, since it seems impossible for a lot of people to not post something without a snide comment, maybe you could do this IRC-style.

Usually when there is an IRC interview with, say Bioware, the whole channel is +m, and people have to query/msg their question/contribution to one of the + or @ people on the channel (The moderators) who then  paste it into the channel.

Of course this means the mods could get pummeled to death with PM's... so on second thoughts it might not be such a hot idea...

[an0n]

I wasn't being snide. I was simply stating my opinion.

And my opnions are well-founded.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by kv1at3485


Not an appropriate post for this thread.

So, we can't even express our opinions anymore in this thread? Sorry dude, but I wholeheartedly agree with an0n.

[Cyker]

Well the last bit of you post could have done with a bit more... tact

There is a line where stuff stops being opinion and becomes merely dissage...

But I understand... the shock of that announcement makes it tricky to stay frosty.

We should learn from the Bioware guys - They get loads of crap thrown at them whenever the change anything in NWN, but they always keep their tempers. I'm always impressed at how they keep their cool.

[Fineus]

Just try and leave the personal attacks out of it please.

There's more than enough going on around here without having to worry about that as well. I'm not saying you can't hold the opinion - just please keep it to yourself.

If you have second thoughts about whether you can control yourself - then leave this thread.

Setekh has already said it, please keep it in mind. None of us want to have to start having a go at people over this - but we're not above it if this can't be kept civil.

That's all, with that in mind. Please do continue on topic

[Solatar]

[edited by myself 'cause I'm better than that...]

EDIT: whoops...didn't see your post Kalfirwhatnot...

[Anubis2k4]

This thread is intended to be just what it says it is: a dialogue, on FreeSpace 3 - what shape it may take, the issues of licensing, etc

That's what this thread is about.

I wouldn't care if he was the sole creator of Halo, he's still a dick (IMO).

That is not an issue about what shape Freespace 3 takes, its not an issue of licensing, its not even about the game.  Its just abuse, and thats not appropriate.

[Kamikaze]

I think it's a legitimate concern for people who buy his game in what form he'll offer support it. From what I see from his posts and behavior (both on and off HLP) I'm not too enthusiastic on that issue. Tiara and an0n were probably concerned in that sense too.

Anyway, if you're offering a game, be nice to customers.

[Cyker]

Originally posted by Tiara

So, we can't even express our opinions anymore in this thread? Sorry dude, but I wholeheartedly agree with an0n.

The opinion ain't the problem. Heck, I think I'm safe in saying that almost everybody here agrees with that opinion to a greater or lessor extent, but we're trying to keep it civil, and that weren't entierly civil

[karajorma]

Okay. Here's a question I've been mulling over which is one that should be answered now rather than later.

"Mr Smart. You claimed several times that it was a case of you getting the licence or the franchise dying. In that light would you step aside should Volition express a desire to purchase the license themselves in order to develop FS3?"

[Fineus]

Please stick to the topic.

I've asked Tiara and an0n not to bring their personal feelings about Derek into this - that should be an end to it. It doesn't need cross discussion amongst yourselves.

This matter needs to be resolved. Going off topic or posting unconstructively does not help that to happen.

Therefore as I said - please stick to the topic at hand as Setekh posted it. Not what an0n or Tiara posted. Not what you feel personally about Dereks personality.

Now, there's lots of other reasonable content in this thread. Might I suggest you make use of that instead?

[Genryu]

Well, IMO, and in light of what I've read an feel about FreeSpace, I've got an answer to Mr. Smart question in Adrenaline Vault's forum, which is if I would buy FS3 if he was to develop it.
My answer would be no. Why ? Due to the fact that FS1 and 2 were arcade space shootern with all the things that it implies (such as unrealistic physics engine, no ground mission and such, for exemple). As Mr. Smart said, he would use his own engine to run this game :

From Derek Smart on Avault
Simple really. We developed a bunch of new tools, technologies - especially a brand new graphics engine - etc for UCE2E. Since I decided to not do that game, those technologies were going to be absorbed into the Battlecruiser based MMO title. This would free us up to do the MMO title, finish up the XBox title in tandem and be done with that type of gaming, since the MMO game would be the only game we focus on from late 2005 and onward. The idea about doing FS3 was that because of these new technologies (including a new GUI based on the new DX9 built-in UI tools set), a clean slate in the graphics and UI arena, coupled with my extensive AI, dynamics etc, was enough to do an action game, not just Freespace. Thats the action game I would have done, had Dreamcatcher not sprung that whole thing on me during the late Battlecruiser Generations (which became UC) Beta, since I didn't have enough time to really strip it into a full blown action game

As it is, there's one question I'd like to ask : Why make a powerful engine if you have to strip it later ? Wouldn't it be more time-efficient to go directly into an action game engine instead of developing a simulation engine then strip it later into an action engine ?
Because, after all, when people think of FreeSpace, they think of an action game, not a simulation game, when there's no need to modelize the interior of a spaceship.
As it is, if you read this, Mr. Smart, I do hope that you don't take this criticism badly, and fervently hope that if you do manage to acquire the FreeSpace licence, you'll do a game that will be a proud part of the FreeSpace continuity.

[an0n]

To be fair, our opinions of Smart have a ****load to do with the issue of FS3 and its possible development.

The V-Gods ignored us, and that worked fine. We did our thing, they did their thing and as long as we didn't bother them they let us do what we liked to the game.

But Derek won't ignore us. And we'll have to deal with his caustic personality.

[Zarax]

It seems that we cannot stay out from flaming. Amen.

[Fineus]

an0n, I appreciate what you're saying but calling him names won't solve anything. Not here at least. If you need to - please find another forum to do it at.

Understand that we're all thats left. HLP is the last stop - Volition Watch is gone. Certain obligations come with that and - no matter how you feel - we have to keep as even a keel as we can here. That's all.

[an0n]

So we should just ignore {him} because he's making a half-assed FS3?

Who are you? Chamberlain?

Content edited. I'm not Chamberlin. Neither is Kalfireth. Behave. // Sandwich

[Genryu]

Nope. He just wants you to stop baiting the guy, so we can try to have a half-decent conversation with him. Who knows, maybe if we stop flaming and start discussing instead, we can have access to what he intends to do exactly with the game, and tell him if we would buy his game, which was the question that started it all.

[Fineus]

Try and pay attention to what I said please? I said that we shouldn't call him names. Not here at least.

Nowhere did I say he should ignored. Put forth a logical arguement, conversation, debate or whatever. Fine.

Calling him names. Not fine.

Get it?
Now please try and get back to the topic at hand. I'm getting tired of having to explain things that I thought were quite obvious.

Edit: Genryu has it right. Conversation will get us everywhere. If people come here from outside the community - including him - and see petty insults being hurled around, I wouldn't be suprised if they drew conclusions that the FS community was not worth listening to.

[an0n]

Go read The Thread.

He could start a flame-war in the middle of the goddamn ocean.

Content removed. Remind me to tell you about a pot and a kettle I once knew. // Sandwich