[Inquisitor]

So much for aggressively moderating this thread.

Yes, you think he's an asshat because of your view of his behavior. Consider your own and how you might appear to also be an asshat.

We're asking you nicely to not do this, make it constructive, be the "intelligent" fan community we all just told the whole internet that you were.

We cannot get anywhere if this continues. I personally would like to hear some constructive conversation on the subject we all hold near and dear to our hearts rather than infantile name calling.

[Tiara]

It's true. It's the whole reason this thing started in the first place. Virtually any other company/guy/invester would most likely even have our approval. But the single reason this whole riot started was him. he is the focal point of this issue besides Freespace itself.

EDIT: See, no swearing. Posted my opinion on this topic in a civil manner.

[an0n]

The internet can blow me. And we're not going to get anywhere anyway.

It is my personal opinion that Derek Smart is- Content removed. We KNOW your personal opinions, and regardless of whether we agree with you or not, regardless of whether you are right or wrong, they will NOT be expressed in this thread. // Sandwich

[Fineus]

Eugh.

Look, this can be done the easy way or the hard way. The easy way? It gets talked out and everyone has their constructive and mature say in proceedings for as far as that is possible.

The hard way? I start getting trigger happy and I know that won't get us any progress in this matter. Nobody at this forum wants to start revoking posting privlages, banning, locking threads and such. But if it means we can sort this out like adults and actually make some progress then I promise you we're not above it.

I implore everyone to come back after they've cooled down a bit and considered whether it's really worth continueing down this road.

[an0n]

Okay, start a new forum. Give only the Admins and Derek posting privellages.

Then you can pick out valid and concise thoughts on the matter and discuss them with him.

I bet you it'll all end in tears.

Content edited. Good idea, though. // Sandwich

[Tiara]

If that was also aimed at me;

Originally posted by Tiara

EDIT: See, no swearing. Posted my opinion on this topic in a civil manner.

If not, sorry.

[MicroPsycho]

On the subject of planet-based combat (FPS or atmospheric flying) why would the GTVA have any need to go planetside, Shivans live in zero-g environments so why would they have any need to be on a planet?

[Gloriano]

we should not forget who we are we are proud mempers of Freespace comminity.
Not proud mempers of Asshole comminity

And does Flaming help? No it doesn't it makes only things worse

[jdjtcagle]

MicroPsycho

lets not get into that subject, please

[Tiara]

...

Let's get back on-topic.

[an0n]

I thought we were?

[MicroPsycho]

There isn't an HLP chatroom is there?

[an0n]

Yes

irc.sorcery.net   #nodewar

It's technically NW, but everyone hangs there.

Kam and Joey have ops, so you could, in theory, use that.

[Genryu]

In topic and not flaming, if you prefer

[Zarathud]

I wouldn't say that Volition ever ignored the community.   They sat back, watched with interest and let things develop.  Some members of the community were asked to help with designing FreeSpace 2, and the community helped Volition by spreading the word about how great a game FreeSpace was after Interplay decided to drop the advertising.  We also showed up to develop the missions which justified the release of the "Space Sim of the Year Edition."  The late-blooming nature of FreeSpace 2 was due to the COMMUNITY and good REVIEWS spreading the word, where Interplay failed in its marketing or distribution.   I also firmly believe that FreeSpace 2's ultimate sales are grossly understated because those numbers were only for the initial few months...not for the "bargainware" units that Interplay continued to sell for YEARS.  If there wasn't such a demand in the market (caused by the fans supporting this title long after Interplay and Volition moved on to other projects), there would have been no re-release -- or Derek Smart wanting to buy the license rather than making his own.

From what I've seen of Derek, he doesn't CARE what his fans think.  He makes games for himself, for his own reasons, and with his own design.  And he doesn't take criticism well.  Which is why I think that in the long run, if (a) Derek Smart is successful in obtaining the license and (b) Derek Smart actually develops and publishes the game (BOTH of which are uncertain, contingent and unknown future events), this will be the end of the vibrant FreeSpace community as we know it (even if it's a bit small FIVE years later).  Even if Derek doesn't sue to shut HLP down, his character is not suited to *constructively* building a community --- only in flaming it down.  There is a reason Derek Smart flamewars are legendary.  And I'd sad to see this community getting pulled apart over even Derek's *interest* in getting the FreeSpace property.

If Interplay's undergoing a fire sale of its IP and this community starts to get actively involved again, there MAY be a hope for FreeSpace 3 independently of Derek Smart.  Yes, flaming Derek Smart isn't helpful.  Neither is being rude.  Even if he seems to be ASKING for it.  But rolling over to the first buyer doesn't make sense.  Hold out for a better deal.

[an0n]

That's pretty much what I said, but needlessly padded out.

Volition ignored us. Content removed. Again. An0n, if vB supported thread-specific banning, you'd be long gone. // Sandwich

[jdjtcagle]

STOP IT!!!!

Could the mods start deleting some post...

[an0n]

They're doing the smart thing and hoping it'll die down on its own.

See, if they start deleting posts it gives people something more to rebel against.

Go ahead. Make my day. :devil: // Sandwich

[jdjtcagle]

Damnit Anon, your in too good of a mood today...

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Zarathud
I wouldn't say that Volition ever ignored the community.   They sat back, watched with interest and let things develop.  Some members of the community were asked to help with designing FreeSpace 2, and the community helped Volition by spreading the word about how great a game FreeSpace was after Interplay decided to drop the advertising.  We also showed up to develop the missions which justified the release of the "Space Sim of the Year Edition."  The late-blooming nature of FreeSpace 2 was due to the COMMUNITY and good REVIEWS spreading the word, where Interplay failed in its marketing or distribution.   I also firmly believe that FreeSpace 2's ultimate sales are grossly understated because those numbers were only for the initial few months...not for the "bargainware" units that Interplay continued to sell for YEARS.  If there wasn't such a demand in the market (caused by the fans supporting this title long after Interplay and Volition moved on to other projects), there would have been no re-release -- or Derek Smart wanting to buy the license rather than making his own.

From what I've seen of Derek, he doesn't CARE what his fans think.  He makes games for himself, for his own reasons, and with his own design.  And he doesn't take criticism well.  Which is why I think that in the long run, if (a) Derek Smart is successful in obtaining the license and (b) Derek Smart actually develops and publishes the game (BOTH of which are uncertain, contingent and unknown future events), this will be the end of the vibrant FreeSpace community as we know it (even if it's a bit small FIVE years later).  Even if Derek doesn't sue to shut HLP down, his character is not suited to *constructively* building a community --- only in flaming it down.  There is a reason Derek Smart flamewars are legendary.  And I'd sad to see this community getting pulled apart over even Derek's *interest* in getting the FreeSpace property.

If Interplay's undergoing a fire sale of its IP and this community starts to get actively involved again, there MAY be a hope for FreeSpace 3 independently of Derek Smart.  Yes, flaming Derek Smart isn't helpful.  Neither is being rude.  Even if he seems to be ASKING for it.  But rolling over to the first buyer doesn't make sense.  Hold out for a better deal.

I wrote something similiar on Nodewar(or Penguinbomb, if you prefer): He would have been more friendly if we had been, too.
We attacked his idea of buying the FS licence from the start(not without a reason, though) and we did behave badly.
Things seem to get (a slightly) calmer now. At least this is how I feel it.