[Tiara]

Originally posted by ZylonBane

#2. Any hideous bodily deformation (rapid aging, devolving into a lizard, etc), can be perfectly reversed.

With proper knowledge of genetics this is doable.

#3. The twin is always evil.

Agreed. the oldest cliché in the book.

#6. The bigger the unstoppable doomsday machine, the easier it is to hit its weak spot.

Agreed. though for St this usually doesn't go. For example; the Xindi Sphere. It didn't have t3h airduct of d00m™ or something. They actually had to baord it and rig the reactor itself to blow.

#8. Genetic clones posesses all the knowledge of their originals.

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Yeah, that is weird seeing as memories and stuff isn't recorded in one's DNA.

#9. In the event of enemy attack, ship's system will fail in the following order: weapons control, helm control, shields, life support, communications, coffee maker.

nah, always shields first unless there is some piercinf wqeapon involved. And the fact that it is in that order is because that is the strategic method of systematically taking out an enemy ship.

#11. Automatic doors can tell if an approaching lifeform is going to walk through them, or just past them.

Yeah, I always wondered about that.

[Flipside]

Also, with regards to No 2, in ST, they usually have to use something like the transporter buffer info on the character in order to recode the DNA. Not always, but sometimes

The rest are pretty much bang on though

[Ford Prefect]

though for St this usually doesn't go. For example; the Xindi Sphere. It didn't have t3h airduct of d00m™ or something. They actually had to baord it and rig the reactor itself to blow.

That may be true, but that doesn't excuse the new Star Trek series from being obscenely lame.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Tiara
With proper knowledge of genetics this is doable.

No it isn't. Sci-fi seems to often be based on the assumption that DNA is a blueprint for the body and that if you change the DNA you change the body instantly.

DNA is not a blueprint. DNA is a recipe. No amount of rewriting a vanilla sponge recipe will allow you to end up with a vanilla sponge after you mistakenly add half a pound of chocolate to it.

Once someone has been heavily deformed the only way you can get them back is via some sort of advanced nanotech (either machine based or biological). At which point the question has to be how on Earth did you let the original pathogen get away with what it did in the first place? Why not simply set your nanotech wonder loose on it before it's turned your crew members into chimps, alien killing machines, etc.

[Cabbie]

Originally posted by ZylonBane
#1. Human beings, despite being dumber, weaker, softer, and less technologically advanced than most alien races they encounter, someone always manage to outperform the more advanced races and Save The Day. Because, y'know, we're just so darn special.

Bingo

Also, why do we humans always have to be  dumber, weaker, softer, and less technologically advanced than most alien races we encounter? Why can't we be more advanced this time?

[Flipside]

Probably because if we were, we;d cane them for all they were worth and then nuke 'em till they glowed

[jdjtcagle]

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

That may be true, but that doesn't excuse the new Star Trek series from being obscenely lame.

You haven't heard of Coto's plans right? Brainless & Brainless (Brennan & Braga for the uneducated ) are taking a step back and Coto is going to be in charge. Seeing his plot ideas I think that he'll write out the Space Nazi's that B&B put in fairly quick.

Check my new thread; http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25701.0.html

[Ford Prefect]

This is good news indeed.

In my opinion, the height of Star Trek quality was The Next Generation.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
This is good news indeed.

Go comment in the thread

In my opinion, the height of Star Trek quality was The Next Generation.

Yah, but i put DS9 on the same level. But DS9 is a totally different aspect of Star trek.

[Vertigo1]

The fact that Highlander 2: The Quickening was ever made....

[Ford Prefect]

Also, why do we humans always have to be dumber, weaker, softer, and less technologically advanced than most alien races we encounter? Why can't we be more advanced this time?

Watch Andromeda. Everyone should just stop their lives, and not start them again until they've worked Andromeda into their schedules.

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

Watch Andromeda. Everyone should just stop their lives, and not start them again until they've worked Andromeda into their schedules.

Only if you watch the first two seasons.  The show went WAY downhill afterwards.  Now its nothing more than something for Kevin Sorbo to wank off to.  Pretty soon they'll change the name to "Hercules in Space" since thats what its pretty much become now.

[Ford Prefect]

Nahhhhh, I still love it. It's well-thought-out, in my opinion, because it keeps you wanting to find out whether they succeed in restoring the Commonwealth. Besides, Hercules didn't have force lances!

[Killfrenzy]

My Sci-Fi pet peeves?

#1: United Mankind. I doubt it. My take on this in The Swarm War is that mankind splintered post-interstellar exploration as the various nations made a free-for-all territory grab. I think we're too diverse with our own agendas to come up with anything like the UFP, TC or EA.

#2: No sooner do we leave our own star system than we run into 45 alien species. Okay, we might, but I doubt it. At most we'd run into perhaps three, and they might not be interstellar capable.

The sublight lasers have already been mentioned, so I'll leave that out.

What else........hmm...........oh yes:

#3: Mankind, no sooner have we developed interstellar travel and advanced technology, suddenly become American. What happened to every other nationality? (This pet peeve is remedied in The Swarm War. The Karran Imperium is 90% British in origin with the remainder made up of Japan, Germany and a few others).

#4: Timescale. How in the name of all that is holy do we have a vast sphere of influence by the 23rd century? At best we're looking at the back end of this millennium, assuming interstellar technology is developed and made cost effective within the next century.

#5: A vast supply of inhabited worlds in some franchises. Okay, our knowledge of the galaxy is slim at the moment, but seriously, will practically every star system contain an inhabited world with a population of 5 billion of whatever race holds sway over that region of space?

Can't think of anything else right now.....

[jdjtcagle]

floating Islands...

Not sure what that was off of, but whoa!

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Killfrenzy

#4: Timescale. How in the name of all that is holy do we have a vast sphere of influence by the 23rd century? At best we're looking at the back end of this millennium, assuming interstellar technology is developed and made cost effective within the next century.

I take it you're talking about the UFP here? Well, for several reasons;

- It's not just the Humans. It was the Vulcans, Andorian AND Humans. Where the first two already had a decent sphere of influence to begin with.
- Other races/nations joined willingly, thus adding to the sphere of influence of the UFP.
- Again; The UFP ended up as a Federation of many nations. it's not just Human sphere of influence. Humans only gained power thanks to the other nations that joined.

As for the technology, most of it came from the Vulcans. And they were WAY ahead of the Federation at that time. They were also a much older spacefaring race.

[vyper]

The best book I ever read in terms of main stream sci fi that _avoided_ these problems was Star Trek:Federation - it's a much more realisitc take on Cochrane and the evolution of the Federation etc.

In fact, it explains a lot of how the nuclear war starts, and the public knowledge of Khan.

[Cabbie]

Originally posted by Flipside
Probably because if we were, we;d cane them for all they were worth and then nuke 'em till they glowed

Hehe but it would be cool to have a story where mankind was the evil invader alien race.

[Martinus]

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