[Setekh]

Over and over and over... nothing new under the sun. Yet we're still fascinated. *raised eyebrow*

[vyper]

Bring back the Empire.

That'll learn yas.

[Genryu]

Going for the Mr Spock/Teal'c impression, Setekh ?

[Omniscaper]

Wow, Tealc IS like Spock isn't he?

[.::Tin Can::.]

*sighs*

So, lets give every country in the world the capability of launching a nuclear missle. Sounds good eh? No. The fact of the matter is that there are countries out there I would trust with nukes, and ones that might launch it because the guy across the border pissed him off. Countries like the UK, America, France, Japan, even Canada, can have nukes if they want. We can have cutbacks on them, but just give them the capability. If we got rid of nukes altogether then it would solve a lot of problems.

No, if you want to eliminate problems, try NOT giving nukes to EVERYONE, otherwise you will just have MORE problems. You give everyone a chance to rain some hell on the ecosystem and a country, you have created your own deathbed for the world. Its a bad idea.

[Rictor]

Genryu, Tin Can:

Ah, you are wise and all-knowing indeed, if you think that can decide who is "reliable" and who is not. If anyone can have nukes, everyone can have nukes. No one has the right to deny them what you (the US) already has, because as I said, that would be adoublt standard. You can think what you want, but you have to ackowledge that your opinion, the US's opinion, and the UN's opinion counts for exactly ****, unless you yourselves diasrm.

I'm not in favour of everyone having nukes, I am in favour of everyone having the right to have nukes. I would think that it would be obvious by now that I am anti-nuke, and favour total disarmament. But until that happens, you have no right to take the moral highground.

But lets just say, for the sake of conversation, that only "trustworthy" countries can posses nukes. Lets take a look at the record, in the past 60 or so years:

North Korea -
0 invasions (well 1, if you count the Korean War as being NK's fault). never used nukes.

America:
Nearly a dozen invasions of foreign nations, countless coups, meddling in foreign affairs and generally undermining sovereignty. Only country to ever use nukes.

So tell me, who is more trustworthy?

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Omniscaper

Sometimes I wish the US did not get involved in WWII (if Pearl Harbor didn't happen of course).  

From Wikipedia:

With the United States and other countries cutting exports to Japan, Japan decided to bomb Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941 without warning or declaration of war.

The USA wasn't formally at war but it was quite involved, it forced Japan to attack.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Rictor, despite our past, lets look at it in this frame:

Do we really have a reason to nuke Korea?

No, not at all...

Does Korea have a reason to nuke us?

You bet ya...

Its like saying "Osama, since your country hasnt really done anything bad in the past, I guess I'll give you these nuclear weapons!

What do you think would happen?

Rictor, your argument is strictly built on the bad things in the past. Its not about whats happened, its about intent. What do you PLAN to use those nukes for?

[Ghostavo]

NK has a reason to nuke the US and the US doesn't has a reason to nuke NK?

*laughs at the irony*

[.::Tin Can::.]

Which country WOULDNT want to take a crack at the US?

[Ghostavo]

*sigh*

You have truly gone paranoid haven't you?

[.::Tin Can::.]

Well, after you've been through what we have then yes, we are a paranoid bunch of mother ****ers arent we?

[adwight]

Originally posted by TopAce
I did not even click on the link. He won't win the election. His popularity and support fell down.

Bush is going to get reelected, if he doesn't, we're screwed over here IMO.  I don't wanna pay more taxes, I already have enough.

[Taristin]

Not all of us.

I don't know where you are in the country, TC, but I live in NY. Just outside the city. We live our lives as usual. And we're not as scared as the media leads you to believe.

[Ghostavo]

One terrorist attack and look at what has happened...

I wonder what would happen if Spain, France, all other countries that have suffered a terrorist attack, reacted the same way the US is reacting now... I mean 3 years after the attack and they are still pushing at full force

[jdjtcagle]

If the regular American people were asked, should we nuke so-and-so...

This is certainly the answer you would get

"Yes! Kill the bastards, they did this and the done this..."

The Government says...

"They are a "potential" threat to the safety to the U.S."

This is "why " I'm paranoid and have no hope for this world

The govenment uses us in anyway they can convice us and then people (who don't know what they want) act patriot (a certain kind of patriotical) and "must" agree with their nation

[Taristin]

You have to remember the average intelligence level of the 'avarage American.' I swear I meet so many plain dumb people. But the thing is, the dumber they are, the stronger their opinion. They make the rest of us sensible people look reeeal bad.

[Sigma957]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Which country WOULDNT want to take a crack at the US?

Australia  mate.

[.::Tin Can::.]

I worship Australians, just so you know.

Yes, the intelligence level of the "Average American" seem to have declined in the last 50 years. You know what I think took the cake? Social reconstruction. We did NOT need that. We used it to seperate the rich from the poor and define class. Social reconstruction just about did it for us.

But, I know that there is NO way all of us would say "Nuke the bastards!" In fact, we have so many damn liberals we would actually argue about how we should respect that country and think about their feelings and how they feel about getting nuked!

You see, back in the day, it wasnt about "Freedom" and "Feelings", it was about morals, decency, what was right and wrong, and where you drew the line. You cross the line, you get punished. There was no sidetrack out of punishment through misinterpretation.

If every American finished High School, EVERY one who was old enough had gone and finished high school, you would see an increase in intelligence almost significantly.

[jdjtcagle]

Originally posted by Raa
You have to remember the average intelligence level of the 'avarage American.' I swear I meet so many plain dumb people. But the thing is, the dumber they are, the stronger their opinion. They make the rest of us sensible people look reeeal bad.

But really that's the effect you get in today's society...
BTW, its IMHO

The American influence today is clear that drugs are not bad, I'll live my life irresposibly, ect...

The most music is angry and confused and what people doesn't understand that it CAN have an ifluence, we are a gullable people...

Plus, America is so big...
And there confusion of what is "real" and what is "not
What is "right" and what is "wrong"
Cost dearly when they don't care anymore, "Kill other people, it's not affecting me in any way!"