[Ford Prefect]

There's no distinction between "physical" and "mental." If it can be tested and analyzed, it is by definition a part of the physical universe.

[Bobboau]

it's the diference between an action and the object makeing the action, there two diferent things

hey the reset form thingy is gone!
yaeyes!!!

[Ford Prefect]

The universe only has one set of laws: The laws of physics. Everything that we can analyze is, in one way or another, bound to those laws, and to those laws only. Any other distinction is purely our own conception, created to help compartmentalize our view of the universe.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by icespeed

kami, you're entirely right. but the point is to pick the one which is right, and because it's right, you have faith in it. that's the logic part. i don't think faith justifies something, exactly.

the question then being, how to pick the one which is right? which comes back to proof, only this time it's not faith vs proof.

Hmm, so does that mean you prioritize proof over faith?

You mention it "comes back to proof", so does that mean once you prove something is right it is then "worthy" (for lack of a better word) for people to have faith in?

What then, is Chrisanity's (or any religion really) proof? What is the proof that is convincing people to have faith in it?

[Clive]

Parting of the Red Sea. Jesus being reborn. Prophecy coming to pass......

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
There's no distinction between "physical" and "mental." If it can be tested and analyzed, it is by definition a part of the physical universe.

Yes!? Down with dualism!? *notices those weren't questions and hastily sticks ?s in*

[icespeed]

Behaviour's not part of the physical world, bw, it's got effect but it's not a _thing_. evolution's a theory with some bits of evidence fossilised in physicality. science basically _is_ the scientific method; otherwise it's speculation and philosophy.

bob, never heard of phycology, care to explain that? pathology is the study of disease- what causes it, how the symptoms come about, and those are effects coming from physical things. studies of behaviour and emotion- i grant you that one. but they come from physical causes, indirectly.

fp: universe has several sets of laws but only physics happens to have direct physical effect.

(i'm not trying to be annoying or whatever bob, but how can anyone have a decent discussion if you're only allowed to ask questions?)

[Clive]

Are you people stoned?

Anything with relates to the study of cause and effect, is science.

[icespeed]

see kami, i'm trying not to be in any way giving offense at all. probably was a bad idea since i've just compromised myself... personally i have faith that the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ justifies me and gives me eternal life with God after death on this world. why? cos it makes sense. JC was a real man who really existed who really died and who really came back to life again. and there is really proof for all that. but if I outright went and said that, you see, everyone would go full exploding at me for being 'intolerant' and 'narrowminded' etc etc so i didnt. i have faith because there is proof; there is proof because i have faith.

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by icespeed
JC was a real man who really existed who really died and who really came back to life again. and there is really proof for all that.

Actually there's real proof that the Romans crucified a Jewish preacher by the name of Jesus of Nazareth. Nothing else.

[icespeed]

dude, ever read a book called the bible?

(now _that_ was a question.)

[Bobboau]

dude, "it's in a book" is not proof

[Bobboau]

and I'm as good as stoned, realy tiered

[Black Wolf]

Real proof = corroborating evidence for the bible. There're millions of pages of religious writings from all around the globe - what makes the bible so special that we should take it as truth as opposed to, say, egyptian writings?

[Bobboau]

by your defenition then there is proof that superman is real, that the xmen are amung us, that the matrix has you and that there is no god, why becase I just wrote it down.

[Bobboau]

just explaine how it makes sence to you , becase it makes abosutely no sence to me, and please keep in mind I went to a catholic highschool, spare me the passages

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by icespeed
bob, never heard of phycology, care to explain that?  

Actually - phycology is the study of Algae... I think he meant Psychology.

EDIT - fixing it - Algae, not fungi

[Clive]

The X-men are among us.

There's the girl with the X-ray eyes and the super-strong 5 year old.

[icespeed]

many religious writings (i'm not gonna say all since i'm no expert) are prophecies, metaphysical sort of writings.

the new testament, with the exception of the revelation of john (which still sort of counts) is a collection of biographies and epistles. These would have been circulated throughout the roman world where the early christian churches were established.

the gospels- the biographies- recorded the life of JC. if anything in there were wrong, there would have been some sort of written record of an alternative history. as far as i know there's the jewish oral tradition that JC was stolen from the tomb and the roman guards were bribed to remain silent- both of which being extremely unlikely. anyone know of any other 'proof's?

the gospels were _historical_ documents, not random writings of some prophet. apparently there's far less proof for the existence of julius caesar than there was for JC. and if they prove the existence of JC, then you can't just ignore the the half of each gospel documenting his resurrection.

[Clive]

I'd like to cite Elvis as reason why the ressurection story is bull****.....