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Offline jdjtcagle

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Reply #20 on: August 21, 2004, 08:14:09 pm
Yeah...  If he has a dell, there is a really good chance it's more custom than we thought
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Reply #21 on: August 21, 2004, 08:14:53 pm
The branded PCs usually have little quirks like missing expansion slots and the like. It keeps them cheap to produce (especially the family PC baseline crap they churn out).
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Reply #22 on: August 21, 2004, 08:15:17 pm
Yeah, this sucks.  There's a rectangle on the motherboard above the PCI slots that looks like it's where the AGP should be from Kazan's pictures, but there's nothing there.  

Guess i'll just find the best PCI-compatible card i can...thanks anyways, guys.
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Reply #23 on: August 21, 2004, 08:18:19 pm
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um.. there are not pentium 4 motherboards without AGP to my knowledge


I know of a few.  My friend has one without the AGP.  And he wants to get DOOM 3!!!  :lol: :lol:   I make fun of him all the time.  :D
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Reply #24 on: August 21, 2004, 08:19:25 pm
I finally destoryed the Shivan armada and all I got was this lousy T shirt.
 

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Reply #25 on: August 21, 2004, 08:37:10 pm
Oh.  Well...ok.

wtf mate?
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Offline Kazan

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Reply #26 on: August 21, 2004, 08:57:56 pm
R9200 has a PCI-compat edition
R9200 is AGP
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Reply #27 on: August 21, 2004, 08:59:24 pm
Do you mind telling me what the difference is? :)

AGP is alot better I persume?
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Offline Kazan

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Reply #28 on: August 21, 2004, 09:16:39 pm
AGP is MASSIVELY faster and it's a dedicated video card technology

AGP1 is 2x the speed of PCI
AGP2x is 4x PCI
AGP4x is 8x PCI
AGP8x is 16x PCI

i run 8x
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Offline Kamikaze

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Reply #29 on: August 21, 2004, 09:20:34 pm
Don't get a Radeon 9200. They're slower than a Radeon 9100 and are also more expensive, although the 9100 is discontinued.

You can still get 9100s though:
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Reply #30 on: August 21, 2004, 09:31:28 pm
As a general rule, always get the card "Built by ATi", and not the one "Powered by ATi".

At least the former you get good support.  My brother once sent in his 9500 Pro in for replacement/repair 2 or 3 times in as many weeks, and the ATi guys kept sending him a new or fixed one.
 

Offline Kazan

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Reply #31 on: August 21, 2004, 09:53:33 pm
what was your brother doing to those poor cards! ATI cards rarely have problems
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Reply #32 on: August 21, 2004, 10:05:39 pm
You should be able to find an FX5200 PCI fairly cheaply, maybe an Ultra even.  Just bear in mind, PCI cannot match the available bandwidth of AGP, so even if you have exactly the same setup as someone but their card is AGP, they will have better performance.  That said, I'm running a PCI solution and have no major complaints, you just can't crank things up.
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Reply #33 on: August 21, 2004, 10:40:46 pm
Yeah, just remember, i dont have a AGP slot.  So that's not an option for me (and no im not going to upgrade my motherboard).
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Offline kv1at3485

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Reply #34 on: August 21, 2004, 10:53:24 pm
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what was your brother doing to those poor cards! ATI cards rarely have problems


Well, the card itself wasn't the problem.  My brother had bought a new system with an ASUS P4C800E-DLX motherboard as its base.  Now apparently some of the 9500 Pros (as denoted by their serial numbers) are not suitable for that board.  So he kept plugging them in and they kept getting messed up.

It wasn't until after the second fiasco when I went through the motherboard's documentation that we discovered the error, and so my brother was finally able to request a 9500 Pro of the suitable type.

On a side note, while this entire episode was occuring he used my 9000 Pro instead.  As my computer had a heart attack everytime I downgraded to my Rage 128 (you can imagine how many times I got back my 9000 Pro with the belief that the problem had been fixed only to find it had not and being forced to give the 9000 Pro back) I finally got fed up and bought myself a 9600 Pro so that the 9000 Pro could remain in reserve.  (As further compensation for my troubles, he bought me SimCity 4 Deluxe Edition.)

So now my brother has a working 9500 Pro (lucky duck) and I have a 9600 Pro (not so lucky duck).  And I hope my brother will upgrade his graphics card soon so I can inherit that 9500 Pro...
 

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Reply #35 on: August 22, 2004, 01:38:55 am
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Yeah, just remember, i dont have a AGP slot.  So that's not an option for me (and no im not going to upgrade my motherboard).


If it's a P4 w/o an AGP slot, isn't it remotely possible that it has PCI-X?
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Reply #36 on: August 22, 2004, 08:12:40 am
sandwich: no - not from Dell
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Offline MatthewPapa

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Reply #37 on: August 22, 2004, 08:58:28 am
I know lots of people that are having the same problem as you. It seems that if you dont initially order AGP graphics from dell you dont receive a AGP slot. Its one of dell's corner little corner cutting schemes. You prolly bought the cheapest model dell made (~$600). Dont expect much from those computers unfortunately. Most only have 128 MB of RAM too which is totally stupid. Check out my computer site at http://spartancomputers.cjb.net and read the article on "why buy from us." There I have mentioned all of the disadvantages of getting dells, compaqs, hps etc.
 

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Reply #38 on: August 22, 2004, 09:04:37 am
I'd just like to mention that i love my computer, aside from the graphics card.  So don't feel sorry for me or anything.
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Offline Martinus

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Reply #39 on: August 22, 2004, 10:02:22 am
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um.. there are not pentium 4 motherboards without AGP to my knowledge


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[color=66ff00]My friend was going to buy a new card to play Doom 3 on and he was most annoyed to find out that the board had no AGP slot.

A Dell.
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