[Stryke 9]

Here's how it goes:

FS2 is GTVA canon.

Derelict and Warzone are fronteir canon by default, because no other campaign deals with those locations, and they have no real arguments with any othe campaign. (ED: Scratch that, there are new campaigns that do, but these two are still definitely canon because they came first)

Left Behind and possibly BWO will be Earth canon, because LB spends almost all of its time and a projected 30 mods on Earth... but Earth is a sketchy one, we really need to make one thats Earth canon.

Shivans and everything else... open season, have fun guys.

Although, if you wanna have something that argues with the "canon" campaigns, all's fair in bad fiction, go ahead and do it...

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[Shrike]

No.  Derelict, Warzone, MT, BWO, EVERY LAST CAMPAIGN MADE is and will be nothing more more than fanfic, unless   comes and says it's canon.  Period.

[Stryke 9]

Well, yeah.

But since we ain't [V], [V] ain't talkin' to us, and we wanna have canon, we make canon! They haven't said much about whether any of our stuff is "true", and I really don't see what makes them the authorities on places and things they didn't make up. I mean, yeah, it's all more or less based on what they did, but until we start making money off of it, or the whole thing magically becomes reality, that's like saying, for example, that Isaac Asimov owns every story ever written using his ideas of robots, or that the first guy to write a story based in Africa gets to say what can and can't be said about Africa. There's a lot of things here to play with, and since generally [V] doesn't give a rat's ***  what we do, we're gonna have to be the ones to say what's what.

Did that make any sense at all? I kinda ranted, I know.

[Shrike]

You cannot simply call something canon.  You can have something accepted by the community, but it still has no more validity than anyone else's.

[Taristin]

That's like saying Sandwich's Shivan BBQ mission is cannon...  

[DragonClaw]

  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Sandwich]

 

Originally posted by Raa Tor'h:
That's like saying Sandwich's Shivan BBQ mission is cannon...  

Oh, yeah - I did show you that one, didn't I? Hehehe - FRED2 is fun...  



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[DragonClaw]

  The shivan BBQ!
 http://michael.randelman.com/fs2/files/impaled.zip


muahah!

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[Nico]

Anyway, for exemple, will you imose me Derelict as canon, since I don't agree with many points in the storyline? No way. If V comes and tell me it is now an official extension to FS2, ok, mea culpa. Since then, for me, Derelict is a USER made campaign. Period. And it's the same for every campaign out there.

[Taristin]

 

Originally posted by venom2506:
mea culpa

I knew that was french! Babelfish wouldn't translate it as french, so I assumed it was Latin...  I love saying that...  

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by Raa Tor'h:
I knew that was french! Babelfish wouldn't translate it as french, so I assumed it was Latin...  I love saying that...  

It's latin lol

[Ace]

Doesn't Twilight's events happen at the same time as Warzone? The war beyond Regulus is mentioned a few times in the command breifings. And isin't Warzone one year after Derelict?

Derelict and Warzone both occur five years after FreeSpace 2. (2372)

Also, on the huge arguement on canon and non-canon:

So far only what Volition has published through Interplay as the FreeSpace games and the FS reference bible are canon.

Pieces of the FS bible which contradict FS due to it's being an earlier outline of the plot is as the plot is in FS.

Much like any contradictions between FS and FS2 mean that the FS2 data is the canon and "accurate."

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[Setekh]

 

Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Here's how it goes:

Well, no...

 

Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Well, yeah.

No.

Is that - clear enough for you?

[Taristin]

 

Originally posted by venom2506:

It's latin lol

Damnit! Always happens! I was right the first time!

[Stryke 9]

This is all about people's OPINIONS. This is:

1. not real life
2. made up by a bunch of guys most likely not any older than us, who had no interest in tying it to reality


Comprende? What we have to say about it is every bit as valid as what they say, unless we try to contradict their plotlines(and that 'cause they thought of it first). There is no REAL "this is what happened" and [V] isn't making one any time soon. Whan they do, I'll eat my words, but until then, we're on our own. Yes, the LB thing was kinda a halfhearted pimp, but the rest is accepted, and I think I have to repeat, this is:

1. not real life
2. made up by a bunch of guys most likely not any older than us, who had no interest in tying it to reality

Which means it's not really worth arguing about anyway, but what the hell, an argument is an argument, and I'll be damned if I lose one!


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[Stryke 9]

And Setekh: I started the whole you're-wrong-i'm-right thing for this forum (as far as I can tell, I haven't checked the ancient history topics), and you're on my turf.  

[Shrike]

You don't understand.  There is no opinion about what is canon, either it is or it isn't.  Anything put out by   is canon, except for a few things in FS that are superseded by FS2, everything else is nothing more than fanfic, with no official standing whatsoever.  You cannot argue with canon, it's set in stone.  Only   can change and say what is canon, because it is there universe.

[Stryke 9]

Yeah. Like I said, if someone here makes a campaign and [V] actually says they're wrong, then they're wrong. But on those things [V] has said nothing about, some fanfic takes precedence- you can't have a vacuum of info just 'cause [V] hasn't mentioned it yet. Some things are still taken as "correct" even though [V] (I'm getting sick of typing that logo) hasn't come out and acknowledged it as right or wrong.

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You call that annoying?
I'll show you annoying!

[Sandwich]

 

Originally posted by Shrike:
You don't understand.  There is no opinion about what is canon, either it is or it isn't.  Anything put out by   is canon, except for a few things in FS that are superseded by FS2, everything else is nothing more than fanfic, with no official standing whatsoever.  You cannot argue with canon, it's set in stone.  Only   can change and say what is canon, because it is there universe.

Right on, ol' chap!

Or look at it this way: How old was George Lucas when he made up the Star Wars universe? It doesn't matter, does it? Does anyone even think about contradicting what he's already set? No. And all those expansion books that have been written (Timothy Zahn is AWESOME!  ), as far as Lucas is concerned, put him under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to follow their stories in the 7-8-9 movies. Why? Because HE DID NOT WRITE THEM.

And that, ladies and germs, is the dfference between "official" and "canon". The books are official expansions to the movies. However, if Lucas has Leia marry Lando in one of the sequel movies, that will be canon. It may contradict the official "facts" set out in the books, but Lucas has priority.  


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[Shrike]

*sigh* Fanfic is just that, fanfic.  Just because   hasn't said what's in how many planets there are in Polaris, doesn't mean that we all have to agree with the first person to come up with a campaign set in Polaris.  If it's from   it's canon and cannot be disputed with, eventwise.  Yes, people can agree to have the same given background, etc for their campaigns and stories, but that doesn't make it official, and certainly doesn't mean people have to follow it.  The only way people can fault you on this is if you against   itself.

Edit:  To sum up.  Nothing takes precedence over canon, in the FS2 universe there's only canon and fanfic/speculation.  Nothing else.

And on the topic of SW, as far as I know, the events in the novels are considered canon.  This contrasts with ST, where only the movies/eps and a couple selected books are considered canon.

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