[Corhellion]

Amen to the Tuvok thing!

But I liked Voyager cause...just...cause I liked the over all plot...DS9 was good...but...slighty hard to get into...the battles were good though.

[Tiara]

Voyager overall is a nice series for the casual viewer. But when you put it in perspective with the rest of Trek, it's just .

DS9 had a bad first season. A kind of uber long intro to the series. but after S1 it picks up the pace real nice. DS9 and TNG are by far my favorite series in ST.

[Hunter]

IMHO Starfleet Command, Starfleet Command II, Klingon Academy and Elite Force were the better Trek games of the last decade. Note that the first three came from Interplay.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Hunt Smacker
IMHO Starfleet Command, Starfleet Command II, Klingon Academy and Elite Force were the better Trek games of the last decade. Note that the first three came from Interplay.

SFC III is way better then I, II and OP IMHO.

You can refit your own ship by placing different weapons (phaser, disruptor, Pulse Phaser Cannon, Tachyon beam, plasma torpedo, Photon/Quantum torpedo, etc etc etc) on different hardpoints, buy better shielding for each arc, buy better transporters, tractor beams, warp core, thrusters, impulse engines, cloaking devices, computers, etc etc etc.

Then there is the pretty damned good 3-part main campaign. And the Borg campaign. It's fun  to play Borg and assimilate species

Not to metion the more balanced and improved gameplay.

[Ford Prefect]

Okay, here is the truth about Star Trek:

- Enterprise started out with promise until a) the storyline turned into something on par with.... I dunno it just sucked, and b) Scott Bakula's acting failed to magically improve to an acceptable level.

- Voyager had some glaring faults, like the borg stuff and Captain Janeway sucking at life, but I thought overall it was acceptable. Not great, but okay. (Definitely had the best intro sequence.)

- TNG was the best series. Best captain, best loyalty to the original premise of Star Trek, best writing, and of course what's better than the Galaxy class?

- The best Star Trek episode ever was "The Inner Light", where Picard is rendered unconscious by a probe and lives out the entire life of a person from a lost civilization. (It won a Nebula Award, so it's not just me.)

- Armada does not suck!

- Elite Force was fun, but the dialogue was the second-worst I've ever heard. (The first being Hegemonia: Legions of Iron.)

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
- The best Star Trek episode ever was "The Inner Light", where Picard is rendered unconscious by a probe and lives out the entire life of a person from a lost civilization. (It won a Nebula Award, so it's not just me.)

I don't know. I liked that episode hugely but Best of Both Worlds is the only episode I have on video.

That said you're not the only person who thinks it the best episode.

http://stng.36el.com/st-tng/episodes/ratings/

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Okay, here is the truth about Star Trek:

- Enterprise started out with promise until a) the storyline turned into something on par with.... I dunno it just sucked, and b) Scott Bakula's acting failed to magically improve to an acceptable level.

Coto did a pretty damned good job with writing S3. Brennan & Braga just had to **** it up in 2 seconds where they introduced the Nazi aliens.

- Voyager had some glaring faults, like the borg stuff and Captain Janeway sucking at life, but I thought overall it was acceptable. Not great, but okay. (Definitely had the best intro sequence.)

Acceptable to the average viewer. Not to certified Trekkies like me

- TNG was the best series. Best captain, best loyalty to the original premise of Star Trek, best writing, and of course what's better than the Galaxy class?

Eh, Sovereign class?

Akira class?

Defiant class?

Nebula class with advanced weapons pod?

Steamrunner class?


One by one they all have a a WAY better design the the USS 'luxury liner' Enterprise-D.

- The best Star Trek episode ever was "The Inner Light", where Picard is rendered unconscious by a probe and lives out the entire life of a person from a lost civilization. (It won a Nebula Award, so it's not just me.)

Certainly one of the best but I still put BoBW on top because of the sheer atmosphere.

- Armada does not suck!

Amen!

- Elite Force was fun, but the dialogue was the second-worst I've ever heard. (The first being Hegemonia: Legions of Iron.)

Pretty much yeah

[Ford Prefect]

You place all those ships above a Galaxy class??? *Dies*

The Galaxy's capabilities are only matched by the Sovereign class, but the Galaxy is better-looking. I wouldn't compare any of those other ships to it, especially the Defiant. It's a little gunship! To compare it to the Enterprise is heresy.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
You place all those ships above a Galaxy class??? *Dies*

The Galaxy's capabilities are only matched by the Sovereign class, but the Galaxy is better-looking. I wouldn't compare any of those other ships to it, especially the Defiant. It's a little gunship! To compare it to the Enterprise is heresy.

1 Defiant would kick the Galaxy class's ass so hard... Only the War Galaxy would win. Defiant has speed, manoeuvrability and firepower on it's side. The Defiant is the first dedicated warship. It even killed a Negh'Var (largest Klingon battleship) in the mirror-verse. And that was just a pale copy of the actuial Defiant.

Anyway, the Galaxy class is just one aweful design. Especially seeing as it is involved in many combat situations. And for that it's obviously not suited. its suited for explortion and diplomatic missions, yes. Not for combat. And in TNG it sees a good deal of that.

Each and every ship I posted has a). A way more practical design b). A way more compact design (not a 'luxury liner' design like the Galaxy).

And I'm not even talking about the faulty warp core design in the Galaxy that makes it go critical every few weeks.

[Ford Prefect]

Every main Star Trek ship has to have a warp core that goes critical every few weeks. It's a necessary function for the continuation of the show!

And what do you mean not enought firepower? The Galaxy class has phaser banks coming out the ears! You never see most of them fired, but the Defiant's speed wouldn't make a lick of difference because the Galaxy could hit it from literally any angle.

Practical design? There's no such thing in Star Trek. The entire Starfleet was engineered to be pretty.

[ZylonBane]

Although I've gotten mostly used to it by now, I'm still put off by the Galaxy class's cartoonish design. The oversized saucer section, the riced-out neon blue warp nacelles with the bright red cherries on top, the idiotic phaser strips (which existed only to allow that k-kewl "charge up" effect), the goofy "bullseye" navigational deflector... blah. It's a design aesthetic which flew in the face of all preceding Starfleet designs, and has notably been rejected by all subsequent Starfleet designs (Galaxy-class derivatives notwithstanding).

[Flipside]

The Galaxy always looked to me like someone had put a tube into a Constitution and inflated it

[StratComm]

The Soverign rules because it's powerful, and it's got a nice sleek look.  The Galaxy is not nearly as powerful but has more functions better-suited to the purpose of star fleet: diplomacy, exploration, science, etc.  It can defend itself against almost anything if it's just one ship, but it seems to have trouble dealing with massed attacks.  The Akira is also a cool design, but I've never liked it's nacell design (not the configuration, though, that part's what makes the design) and I've never understood how the weapon pod is manned, since it's so unconnected with the rest of the ship).  The Defiant is a nice little destroyer, though it was made vastly overpowered for its size.  The production run of that class can't have been as unstoppable.  The Nebula suffers from the kitbash syndrome, even if it isn't, but it is also cool.  "Advanced weapons pod" looks exactly like the sensor/weapons pod on every single Nebula I've ever seen though, so no points for that.  And the steamrunner, well, ew

The Defiant doesn't stand up particularly well against other Starfleet designs; it was matched by the Lakota (an overpowered excelsior, weapons-modernized yes but according to canon still an 80-year-old spaceframe) and would certainly fall to a Galaxy.  It'd do a disproportionate amount of damage before it went though.

[Cyker]

So... who do you think would win between, say, the Enterprise-D (Or E) and the Colossus? (To be fair, the Colossus doesn't get any fighters or bombers )

I liked all of the Star Treks except the early TNGs (They were just TOO cheesy for my liking  I find I can watch them now, but only to laugh at Worf, Riker and Wesley )

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
And what do you mean not enought firepower? The Galaxy class has phaser banks coming out the ears! You never see most of them fired, but the Defiant's speed wouldn't make a lick of difference because the Galaxy could hit it from literally any angle.

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For it's size it's relatively underpowered. that's why they refitted it with the War refit during the DomWar. They added a ****load of more powerfull weapons. Replaced the aged lower yield phaser banks etc.

Practical design? There's no such thing in Star Trek. The entire Starfleet was engineered to be pretty. [/B]

Defiant; Compact, fast, manouevrable. No luxurious quarters, etc etc. A ****load of ablative armor. Heavy forward biased firepower for hit&run tactics and head on engagements. Carries 4 PPCs (2 on each side) and burst fire photon/quantum torpedo launchers. Also has a full arc heavy phaser beam emmiter. Even has a very small shuttlebay. Making it a dedicated warship design.

Nebula; Dual task vessel. Can be fitted with a science pod to act as AWACS or for scientific missions. Can also be fitted with an advanced weapons pod that carries a ****load of torpedoes (Both aft and forward firing).

Akira; Biased towards the combat role. It's fixed weapons pod, not unlike the weapons pod on the nebula, allows it to carry heavy firepower for it's size. Also has hangar bays for shuttles and/or fighters. These hangars are on the front and the rear thus making it capable of launching fighters on both sides if needed making it an all-round design.

Steamrunner; Heavy scout/light cruiser biased towards speed (as seen in the unusually slim design).

I could go on for a while I admit that they aren't the best designed ships but if they were the best designed ships they'd be spheres like a Borg Sphere because in space that is the most practical design. People saying that all designs in ST suck just don't grasp the fact that the design philosophy is different from modern day warships.

[aldo_14]

I used to watch Star Trek (all the series on then) when I was wee*.

It makes me cringe.  I think it's the worst piece of **** ever conceived and filmed, and if you disagree with me...you can go **** yerself, cos I'm not changing my mind

*I'm deeply embarrassed I even mentioned that..... just showing that my deep irrational hatred of all things Trek is based on actually seeing a lot of the program.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by StratComm
The Nebula suffers from the kitbash syndrome, even if it isn't, but it is also cool.  "Advanced weapons pod" looks exactly like the sensor/weapons pod on every single Nebula I've ever seen though, so no points for that.

Weapons pod:


Sensor pod:


Quite different IMO

[Knight Templar]

wtf? The Colossus moves along at 25 m/s. The Enterprise cruises around at half the speed of light on impulse.

[Ford Prefect]

Bah, I know what ship would rape any other ship in any universe, period: The Glorious Heritage class heavy cruiser of the High Guard Argosy. Long live her majesty the Empress!


http://fantasyscifi.topcities.com/andromeda/pics/ships.html

Combat Systems:
40 ELS missile tubes
12 PDL 50Mw turrets
12 AP cannons
36 RF-42 Centaur tactical fighters
76 RA-26 Shrike strike fighters
12 AF/A-29 Phoenix atmospheric attack craft
16 ES-115 Oracle heavy sensor/attack drones
8 ES-14 Janus light sensor/attack drones
6 Radiating Counter Measure generators
1 AI command and control entity


Standard Armament:
OM-5 standard offensive kinetic kill missiles
DM-5 standard defensive kinetic kill missiles
PM-6 Star Arrow smart anti-ship missiles
PM-6L Strategic Star Arrow smart anti-ship missiles (extended range variant)
PM-6LII Strategic Star Arrow multiple independent kill vehicle (MIKV) variant
SAPM-6III Strike Arrow surface attack variant
Nova Bombs

Bow before the might of the Commonwealth.

[StratComm]

Originally posted by Tiara

Weapons pod:
http://www.ditl.org/gpns/GNebWarp1.jpg

Sensor pod:
http://www.ditl.org/gpns/GNebAwacs1.jpg

Quite different IMO

But you can't tell me that the sensor pod is actually part of the nebula design.  How on earth does it connect?  A back-end on that configuration would be interesting to see.  (My comments about the kitbash syndrome).  Most of the time the Nebula is used interchangably for combat and science without changing it's visual appearance at all.