[karajorma]

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=11418&Cr=middle&Cr1=east

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-09-20-mideast-un-resolution_x.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3882175.stm


Should keep you busy for a while

[Janos]

Just give everyone Flight and Mechanized Transport and some luxuries, in return ask for Military Alliance against PA and crush it, stacking enough troops to prevent culture flip into cities.

War weariness is 0 in 49 years anyways, unless you have Universal Suffrage.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Black Wolf
Wait...hang on... you're getting confused. Israel built the illegal wall between the two factions. An easy mistake to make though.

Flipside is right though, that is the biggest mental hurdle. Nobody wants to step down because it would be a loss of face.

Originally posted by Janos
Just give everyone Flight and Mechanized Transport and some luxuries, in return ask for Military Alliance against PA and crush it, stacking enough troops to prevent culture flip into cities.

War weariness is 0 in 49 years anyways, unless you have Universal Suffrage.

Har har har. If only life was Civilization III, right? That would make things simple...

[jdjtcagle]

Originally posted by Janos
Just give everyone Flight and Mechanized Transport and some luxuries, in return ask for Military Alliance against PA and crush it, stacking enough troops to prevent culture flip into cities.

War weariness is 0 in 49 years anyways, unless you have Universal Suffrage.

[Janos]

Originally posted by Corsair

Har har har. If only life was Civilization III, right? That would make things simple...

you are serious you scare me plz lets just be friends

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Janos
you are serious you scare me plz lets just be friends

[heavy sarcasm]

[Janos]

Originally posted by Corsair
[heavy sarcasm]

<3<3<3<3<3

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Gank
That arguement is incredibly dumb sandwich.

Dude, it's a fact, not an "argument". Palestinian livelihood is based on being part of the Israeli workforce. If you want to argue against facts, go right ahead and make a fool of yourself. I'd advise against it.

Originally posted by Gank
Btw Sandwich, like to get an explanation for this:
 

Uhh... what about it? Kingdom of Israel fighting with the Kingdom of Judah.

[ionia23]

You know, I find it amazing how brazen people are on the Israel/Palestine thing, especially against someone who doesn't need to read the latest crap on the internet about it: he can point outside his window.

I can't tell if it's bravery or stupidity. Simple amazing.

[Flipside]

The thing is that people are dying both sides of the divide, it's wrong that people should be dying either side of the divide.

I'm not here to point fingers, never have been, both sides obviously believe they are in the right, and both sides are in the right from a certain point of view. I am certainly in no position to even begin to suggest a solution, but I know that no solution at all will work until the killing stops and the talking starts, on both sides

[karajorma]

Originally posted by ionia23
You know, I find it amazing how brazen people are on the Israel/Palestine thing, especially against someone who doesn't need to read the latest crap on the internet about it: he can point outside his window.

So if we had a palestinian on the board would you not tell him he was wrong if he expressed an opinion you didn't agree with?

The fact that some people can just look out of the window to see the what's going on may actually mean that they are too close to the problem to see the full picture.

Originally posted by Sandwich
Uhh.... no. With Israel gone, the Palestinians would collapse. Remember, it's the Palestinians who travel back and forth to Israel for work. And if all the "cheap labor" of the Palestinians was cut off, then yeah, it'd be hard, but Israel does have over 10% unemployment.

If Israel completely cut the Palestinians off from entering Israel, they would be in deep dish doodoo. As has been said here already, it seems like the state of Israel is more worried about the Palestinians plight than any of their so-called Arab friends in the surrounding nations.

You missed the point Sandwich. I'd already assumed that the Palestinians were in deep doodoo. I was saying what would happen in Israel if they wiped the palestinians out.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Sandwich


Dude, it's a fact, not an "argument". Palestinian livelihood is based on being part of the Israeli workforce. If you want to argue against facts, go right ahead and make a fool of yourself. I'd advise against it.

Eh, its not a fact, its an incredibly dumb statement. You're saying that  if the state of Israel ceased to exist the palestinians would be fukked because theyd had no jobs. I shouldnt really need to point out whats wrong with that mate, but I could start off by saying the palestinians would most likely take the jobs the Israelis left aye?

Originally posted by Sandwich
Uhh... what about it? Kingdom of Israel fighting with the Kingdom of Judah.

Mkay, so jews |= kingdom of Israel then? Kinda ****s all over your christian zionist beliefs.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Gank
Eh, its not a fact, its an incredibly dumb statement. You're saying that  if the state of Israel ceased to exist the palestinians would be fukked because theyd had no jobs. I shouldnt really need to point out whats wrong with that mate, but I could start off by saying the palestinians would most likely take the jobs the Israelis left aye?   Mkay, so jews |= kingdom of Israel then? Kinda ****s all over your christian zionist beliefs.

Israel ceases to exist.  Israeli jobs cease to exist right along with it.  No Israeli jobs for the Palestinians to take.  duhhhh.

[Flipside]

Well, should one infrastructure collapse, another would form in it's place, if Israelis aren't providing factories and offices, you can pretty much be certain that someone else, be it Western or Eastern interests will come along and make some more. Nature abhors a vacuum.

That said, let's have less talk of either side being wiped off the face of the planet, that solves absolutely nothing

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Flipside
Well, should one infrastructure collapse, another would form in it's place, if Israelis aren't providing factories and offices, you can pretty much be certain that someone else, be it Western or Eastern interests will come along and make some more. Nature abhors a vacuum.

That said, let's have less talk of either side being wiped off the face of the planet, that solves absolutely nothing

I remember stating some time ago that I believe a signifigant percentage of both sides of the Israeli/Palestine conflict truly want a 'peaceful' co-existence, but there are groups on both sides who are hell bent on preventing that.

So who stands to lose from peace?

[Ghostavo]

Those who profit from war...

[Flipside]

Because War only costs money, Peace costs a sense of responsibility. Many people everywhere find that too high a price to pay.

[Gank]

Originally posted by ionia23


Israel ceases to exist.  Israeli jobs cease to exist right along with it.  No Israeli jobs for the Palestinians to take.  duhhhh.

Thats right, I forgot about the Israeli monopoly on work

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Flipside
Because War only costs money, Peace costs a sense of responsibility. Many people everywhere find that too high a price to pay.

Sorry is the hardest word, and all that.

(actually, supercalifragilisticexp....ah, **** it.... is the hardest word.  But in this case, sorry is)

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by karajorma
You missed the point Sandwich. I'd already assumed that the Palestinians were in deep doodoo. I was saying what would happen in Israel if they wiped the palestinians out.

In what way? Politically? Workforce-wise?

Originally posted by Gank
Eh, its not a fact, its an incredibly dumb statement. You're saying that  if the state of Israel ceased to exist the palestinians would be fukked because theyd had no jobs. I shouldnt really need to point out whats wrong with that mate, but I could start off by saying the palestinians would most likely take the jobs the Israelis left aye?

"...take the jobs the Israelis left..." If Israel ceased to exist, there would BE no jobs here. I'm finding it hard to understand what the situation related to employment is over here that would give you reason to think otherwise. Please elaborate.

Originally posted by Gank
Mkay, so jews |= kingdom of Israel then? Kinda ****s all over your christian zionist beliefs.

Again, you're gonna have to explain that one a bit better (preferably without the vulgarities). And what does any of it have to do with Christian Zionist beliefs?

Originally posted by Gank


Thats right, I forgot about the Israeli monopoly on work

Let me try to explain the employment situation here, ok? A significant amount of Palestinians and Israeli Arabs (I'm not going to say "most", because I truly don't know the numbers. It's quite common, however...) hold jobs in Israel. They are employed by Jewish construction companies, farming whatevers, municipality-employed street sweepers, and basically any other job that, to be blunt, is for some reason too "menial" for a "Jew" to perform (a situation I am not supportive of, but I'm explaining, not agreeing).

They (the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs) support their families through these jobs - I remember many times when as a soldier I was ordered to close a checkpoint for a time, and how they would plead with me to let them through, they're just trying to support a family. It's a rough situation, but think about it. They prefer to go through the hassle of working less-than-ideal jobs, crossing through the major headache of checkpoints every day, etc etc - why? Why not work in the PA-controlled areas?

Because there ARE no jobs there. WHY there are no jobs, you'd have to ask Mr. Arafat.