[Hippo]

heh... not according to Derilect (wich i hated)
Or was it Homesick (wich i liked)...


Or was it both?

[karajorma]

Who cares? Both are user made mods. They aren't official.

For TMA I had to come up with a whole system on where command is, how it works and how system to system comms work. I've based it as much as possible on canon but if another mod wants to say comms work differently I'm not going to argue.

[Lightspeed]

My theory can be found in one of those threads in this forum.

[Hippo]

one of the... thousands...

[Gloriano]

Originally posted by aldo_14
For a similar reason, i'm a big fan of the idea that the Shivans are fighting in a pan-galactic war, and that the Ancients / GTVA are simply minor distractions caught in the crossfire.

Same here:nod:  I always imaged that there is bigger was going
somewhere

[deep_eyes]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
Unless.... they just wanted Headz and a BBQ.

uhh thats the vasudans bro! lmao!

the real reason they do what they do is because of DavidB and his C++ LOGIC programing where the shivans FLY INTO THINGS WHEN SURROUNEDED! talk bout suicide!

[Swamp_Thing]

Why isn´t nobody considering that the shivans might have been simply afraid? Who knows? Maybe they used up all they had to build that Sathanii Armada, and they sacrificed a whole bunch of them to be sure they wouldn´t be bothered again, for a few centuries at least. If they were evil in their intent, they would have kept coming. But they didn´t. Wich means they were fighting a survival war, for their own species.
From what ié gathered, their capital ships are living entities, but their smaller ships are not. They need resources to build them. And maybe those resources were diminishing, like when the white settlers colonized the american planes and decimated the buffalo population. The indians were forced into war. Just as shivans were. They never intended on destroying the human and vasudan race, they just wanted us to keep away and leave them alone.

[mr.WHO]

They never intended on destroying the human and vasudan race, they just wanted us to keep away and leave them alone.

There is many others ways too say "leave me alone" than simply destroying Vasuda prime. During T-V war terran kill vasudan, vasudan kill terran and shivans just simply break to the party

[aldo_14]

What's more evil - to wipe out your enemies, or to gnaw at them slowly, letting them live in fear, until you deliver the coup-de-grace?

[Cyker]

Originally posted by Hippo
heh... not according to Derilect (wich i hated)
Or was it Homesick (wich i liked)...


Or was it both?

Wait, you HATED Derelict?!?!




Must have been the non-talkie version...

[mrfun]

Anyone got a link to the talkie version? The one I got don't not got no speaking parts, wasn't as much fun with the speech syntesizer.

[Hippo]

Yes, I hated Derilect. Missions were buggy, it pushed FS2 BEYOND the breaking point, so it actually broke, and it was so hard on EASY, that it wasn't any fun.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Singh
unless.......perhaps by closing the gate, they weren't trying to keep the GTVA out, but rather pinning something else in?

Like what? Carl?

[Eishtmo]

I still prefer the Capella BBQ theory and the Shivan quest for beer nuts.

Their real motives?  Probably never really know.  From what I gather, to them, the Terrans and the Vasudans are but a footnote.  Whatever they're doing, the GTVA is just a annoyance, one barely worth mentioning.  Beyond that, their motives and reasons are truly alien, the most alien of any alien speices I've ever read about.

[Knight Templar]

I'd tell you what's going on, but then I'd have to poke you in the eye.

[IceFire]

My theories are:
1) They are involved in a conflict (not necessarily a war) on a galactic level wherein the destruction of key stars can have massive implications on subspace jump nodes in other areas of the galaxy (sort of inverse affects where the local galactic area is not affected but areas further away are).
2) The Shivans, in accordance with part one, were completely ignoring the GTVA all together, and the so called resistance they put out is simply instinctual (you come and do what you want, you blow up other subspace users).  The whole blowing up the star thing was done without so much as a major thought.  The GTVA was like ants to them in the greater scheme of things.
3) The Sathanas fleet has been around for a while, a very long while.  They don't commonly blow up stars, but they do it from time to time.  Its been done before.
4) The Lucifer attack group was focused very much on the Terrans and Vasudans, these second groups of Shivans were very much different.  Its possible they were an entirely different group.  They may never have seen Terrans or Vasudans before.

Odd ideas but very plausiable I think.

[Ace]

Volition has stated that artificial subspace jumps require gravitational wells.

The Shivans (mainly in FS1) have been seen making jumps that seem impossible to then GTA and VI.

In FS1, the Shivans seemed to travel across areas of heavy subspace traffic and sterilized all worlds in their path. This meant the frontlines of the V-T war and the homeworlds of the Terrans and Vasudans.

In FS2, this was a more limited engagement, following GTVA forces into Capella where their advanced was stopped after the Capella star was destroyed and the meson bombs were deployed.

'Freespace' is another name for subspace.

All of this ties together. Assuming that the connection between subspace and mass applies on the large scale, destroying stars has some form of large scale effect on subspace, and the Shivans also have an interest in destroying any species that uses subspace technology. Or perhaps it's just neutralizing sources of temporary 'subspace distortions' which is how subspace travel would appear. Yet at the same time, permanent distortions to subspace they seem to adapt to such as the Knossos portals, and perhaps even the destruction of nodes. Seemingly taking the path of least resistance to small scale changes.

At the end of FS1 the voiceover person believes that the Shivans can rebuild nodes.

Now whether these are planned acts in some sort of massive war, protecting the integrity of subspace, or just instinct is all up to debate.

However, it's pretty clear that they are operating on a massive scale. Very massive.

[aldo_14]

Heh.  Icefire manages to state the same 4 goddamn theories I've written (or tried to) campaign ideas around

(for reference, before I try writing anything involving the Shivans I make sure to write a full past-present-future storyline about what they are, and what they want - then plan the campaign storyling to fit that)

[Hippo]

Sortof like the Asgard-Replicator thing, only with shivans and someone else... (Ancients possible, but i doubt it...)...

Icefire gets my vote!

[Striker]

funny...I just watched the time bubble episode last night. But I do like the idea of them holding something in. It's a complete reverse on the "OMG TEH SHIVANz!" Idea that they're all powerful. Compared to us, they are. But compared to their enemies, they're no match.