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and another thing...

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[ singlehandedly displaying Republican homophobia and Republican denial .. what a guy ]


are you even aware what "homophobia" means?  it means you're afraid of homosexuals.  there's a big difference between being afraid of homosexuals, and just hating them.  

just because (you think that) someone insults homosexuals, doesn't mean they're "homophobic".

 

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lol :p

 

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and another thing...



are you even aware what "homophobia" means?  it means you're afraid of homosexuals.  there's a big difference between being afraid of homosexuals, and just hating them.  

just because (you think that) someone insults homosexuals, doesn't mean they're "homophobic".


http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=homophobia

1. homophobia -- (prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality)

Seriously, though.. 'girlie men'.  Who gives ****, really?  If someone called me that in a pub or at 5-a-sides i'd just laugh at them.

 

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On the subject of grenada, this sums it up very well:
"Alarm bells sounded early in the Reagan administration when the Marxist regime of Grenada's prime minister Maurice Bishop nuzzled up to Moscow and Havana. The construction of a 10,000-foot runway that could accommodate the largest military transports, and the influx of hundreds of East-bloc advisers and military personnel, meant that Grenada was fast becoming another forward base for Soviet designs on the region. The Detroit News noted in its editorial that in his four years as ruler, Bishop 'had censored the press, canceled elections, stifled opposition parties, and jailed numerous political detainees.'


Oh come on. The runway was being built to increase tourism. This wasn't about the miltary at all. How do you explain the fact that after the Americans took over the airport with the 10,000ft runway was still built?

 Besides how do you explain all the **** that went on about the students?

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As for the map from a gas station I think it was. THERE WAS A LACK OF INTELLIGENCE. THEY WENT IN NOT TOTALLY PREPARED. However, the US did not act unilaterly.


The lack of intelligence was in Ronald Regan's head. He completely over-reacted to a non-threat. Even Mrs Thatcher, his staunchest ally in the world thought the invasion stupid. Even if you feel the invasion was justified it was executed with almost breathtaking incompetence. The Joint chiefs pleaded with Regan for more time to plan but he insisted on going ahead with the attack on his own timetable.
 When I see stupidity like that in the execution it's not hard to believe that there was also stupidity in the causes.

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This is the last post on the subject I will make and encourage this thread to be closed sorry for the way it went.


That's a rather cowardly way to ensure you get the last word isn't it? :rolleyes:
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Bah. Damn Double post. I'll split off the organic farming stuff into this one.

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I was thinking more of livestock, actually. I'll take your word for it regarding vegetables, but meat is getting really screwed up.


Except that the organic food movement are screwing up vegetables to a similar degree. One of the pesticides they used has recently been banned after it was found to cause cancer in humans (Don't tell me Organic farming doesn't involve the use of pesticides. It will show that you don't understand what a big lie the entire thing is).

Not only that but you're more likely to get food poisoning from eating organic vegetables than conventionally farmed ones. (Admittedly that's your own fault for not washing them properly but there you go.)
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http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=homophobia

1. homophobia -- (prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality)

Seriously, though.. 'girlie men'.  Who gives ****, really?  If someone called me that in a pub or at 5-a-sides i'd just laugh at them.


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you've got to be kidding me.  thanks for pointing that out though.  that's the first time i've seen *anything*phobia being as much a hate as it is a fear.  because generally, by definition, a phobia is an intense fear or something.  arachnaphobia, etc.

 

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damn austrians not always following phonetic spelling in german! DAMN YOU TO HELL!

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Well, if you look at what 'phobia' means itself, it actually encompasses hate in this sense.  Bearing in mind that 'phobia' is by definition irrational, the hatred in homophobia actually stems from the (irrational) fear that in some way homosexual activity is destroying the fabric of society.

For ref;
Definitions of 'homophobia' ; http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+homophobia&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Definitions of 'phobia'; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=define%3A+phobia&btnG=Search
Definitions of 'fear'; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=define%3A+fear&btnG=Search

 

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'homophobia' does include hatred
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oh come off it guys.
he said girly men ffs, not "them damn ****ing queers" or something along those lines. Does that mean that every time I call someone or something "gay" I am commiting a hate crime? Or that I'm a homophobe? What about "you throw like a girl", do we have to stop using that one too?

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Well I do refrain from calling people "gay" because I think it helps attach a negative connotation to the term.
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funny thing, really.  if you look up 'gay' you get a definition like 'happy'.

It's such a nice little word: gay.

Then there's the other one: 'lesbian'.  which is some kind of obscure poisonous Amazonian tree frog or something.

The whole "girlymen" thing is just another issue for people to cry about.
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Actually "lesbian" as a term goes back to ancient Greek mythology; one of the great quests (can't remember which one) finds the hero and his crew stranded on the island of Lesbos, where all of the women have killed the men so that they can, well, you know.  The island of Lesbos actually exists (it's quite nice actually, though no relation to the name similarity) but the term is classical in origin and has held the connotations of a female homosexual the whole time.
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there is also a dialect of latin name lesbos
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Well, if you look at what 'phobia' means itself, it actually encompasses hate in this sense.  Bearing in mind that 'phobia' is by definition irrational, the hatred in homophobia actually stems from the (irrational) fear that in some way homosexual activity is destroying the fabric of society.

For ref;
Definitions of 'homophobia' ; http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+homophobia&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Definitions of 'phobia'; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=define%3A+phobia&btnG=Search
Definitions of 'fear'; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=define%3A+fear&btnG=Search


right, but if you look at any phobia (except homophobia apparently), the definition concentrates on the FEAR rather than the HATRED of whatever it's talking about.  I mean of course, with arachnaphobia for example, you're so afraid of spiders, you probably hate them, so hatred is part of it, but it's more of a hatred BECAUSE you're afraid of them, you know what i'm saying?

 

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So you're saying there is a rational reason for people hating gays?
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Where you serious!?

:lol: :wtf:

I was making fun of his name, It didn't cross my mind twice that I would come close to spelling it right :rolleyes:

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So you're saying there is a rational reason for people hating gays?


no i'm saying that when someone thinks of a phobia, they don't think of hating something, they think of extreme fear, perhaps hate through fear.